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Its so funny watching Brady literally stand flat on his feet for up to like 10 seconds not even close to being touched. I can't believe this doesn't ever get mentioned, his o line is ridiculous.

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01-27-2011 , 09:29 AM

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Randy Moss one-handed catch

Not quite sure how this is a rebuttal of my response. Unless you were going for something else?

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01-27-2011 , 10:45 AM

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Its so funny watching Brady literally stand flat on his feet for up to like 10 seconds not even close to being touched. I can't believe this doesn't ever get mentioned, his o line is ridiculous.

You're right, omg, it happens like every play, Brady just stands there on his feet for like a minute, watches all of his receivers get blanketed, then dumps an easy pass off to a midget white guy who takes it for 30 yards and artificially bolsters Brady's passing stats, amirite? It's soo funny, how can u guys not see this?

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01-27-2011 , 10:55 AM

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Its so funny watching Brady literally stand flat on his feet for up to like 10 seconds not even close to being touched. I can't believe this doesn't ever get mentioned, his o line is ridiculous.

Clearly, this post is pure garbage but to talk about the line play of each, I could definitely be wrong and someone with more knowledge than I have of the Colts I'm sure knows better but Peyton's had some damn good lines in front of him his whole career, right?

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01-27-2011 , 11:25 AM

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i like how everybody who likes to compare the people around brady and manning never mentions offensive linemen

please break down the offensive linemen each has had throughout their careers. i need a good laugh.

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01-27-2011 , 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Wondercall

Its so funny watching Brady literally stand flat on his feet for up to like 10 seconds not even close to being touched. I can't believe this doesn't ever get mentioned, his o line is ridiculous.

this is the biggest myth on all of 2p2 aside from the myth of manning > brady

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01-27-2011 , 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Goodie

this, especially since for like the first 7-8 years (estimating years) peytons oline > bradys

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01-27-2011 , 11:36 AM

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You can't argue that Brady has had a significantly better coach and for most of the time a better D than Peyton. Peyton's had better weapons at times, and as a whole the OLs are probably pretty much even.

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01-27-2011 , 11:41 AM

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no offense, but you guys realize that even pretending to evaluate the OL for each QB is complete guesswork right?

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01-27-2011 , 11:46 AM

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wouldn't call it complete guess work even if there is some guess work involved, u can still form a good estimate even if it isn't 100% exact. oline is on tv for pretty much the entire play so its easier to look at/analyze than dbs/wrs etc

none of this is exact anyway and all of it involves some guess work, if it was exact everyone would be saying brady > manning

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01-27-2011 , 11:50 AM

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lol

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01-27-2011 , 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by EPiPeN11

falls under offensive talent in which manning still had a big edge overall throughout their careers even when u factor in the oline.

Commercials starring the Patriots o-line = 1

Commercials starring the Colts o-line = 0

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01-27-2011 , 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by loK2thabrain

Commercials starring the Patriots o-line = 1

Commercials starring the Colts o-line = 0

it's not the oline's fault peyton manning is so selfish he hogged the 462 commercials all for himself instead of giving them a few

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01-27-2011 , 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by natediggity

no offense, but you guys realize that even pretending to evaluate the OL for each QB is complete guesswork right?

I mean, can't you evaluate protection to a certain extent? I mean, I know coverage sacks happen but sack totals, hurries and pressure have a great deal to do with the O-line, obviously, so can't you compare those stats to get a rough sense?

Clearly it's not "complete" guesswork, that's just ridiculous. It may or may not be more guesswork than evaluating other positions but as Epi said (one of the few things I agree with him on) this is ALL guesswork for us. And quite a bit of it.

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01-27-2011 , 12:15 PM

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The problem is Peyton is very good at getting rid of the ball regardless of who is guarding him. You could have a guy who was totally ineffective at LT theoretically and he'd still make him look better than he probably is. He has sick pocket awareness. Also if you have good weapons like Peyton has, it's hard to blitz a ton of guys and makes your OL probably look better than they really are.

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01-27-2011 , 12:16 PM

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capone, that is just guess work.

If it was exact you'd be saying Brady > Manning.

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01-27-2011 , 12:18 PM

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Obviously. That doesn't mean you can't get a rough sense of the lines. Not to mention that Brady has some of these same skills. To be honest, I think the O-lines are pretty much a wash for our discussion both for the reason that they are difficult to evaluate and it's seems fairly likely that a huge gap didn't exist between the two.

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01-27-2011 , 12:21 PM

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You put Manning or Brady behind the worst OL in football and they automatically make that line look halfway decent. I simply don't see how any of us can legitimately critique the OL's each has had in their careers.

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01-27-2011 , 12:23 PM

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4.9 vs. 3.1

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01-27-2011 , 12:25 PM

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4.9 vs. 3.1

no idea what these numbers represent

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01-27-2011 , 12:27 PM

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Probably sack%.

Which for obvious reasons doesn't tell the whole tale about either side of it.

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01-27-2011 , 12:29 PM

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for RRR's sake I hope they don't represent sack%

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01-27-2011 , 12:46 PM

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this is the biggest myth on all of 2p2 aside from the myth of manning > brady

uhh how exactly is this a myth? it should be quite obvious to you of all people that brady has had a perfect pocket to throw in an absurd % of all pass plays where he can take the snap and just stand there. yes this has something to do with the fact that brady gets rid of it too quickly to get sacked, it also has something to do with the 2 solid edge protectors in light and volmer, not to mention the all pro mankins. the pats offense didnt really take off this year until mankins ended his holdout