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11-19-2007 , 06:43 PM

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more people saying "troll" and "ban" and providing no information or statistics of any kind

very impressive indeed.

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11-19-2007 , 06:45 PM

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11-19-2007 , 06:57 PM

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1. There are already threads about this.

2. If you think that its just Harrison missing you are crazy. The Colts have also played without their #3WR Gonzalez and didn't have Dallas Clark for the the SD game (the game that is skewing this statical sample horribly).

3. Manning is playing behind a patchwork O-line. I don't pay very close attention to the Pats line, but I doubt very seriously that they have had anything like this rash of injuries.
In the SD game the Colts had a guy at LT that was on the practice squad the week before. I seriously doubt that has ever happened before in the NFL. Guys don't come off the practice squad and protect a QBs blindside, it usually another line man moving over but the Colts were down 3 O-linemen and out of options.

4. There is a huge difference between having shoddy WRs that you've been practicing with since camp and having shoddy WRs that just started getting reps with the first team.

Quoted the whole post since it's all true, but the fact that it's taken weeks for someone else to mention #4 tilts the [censored] out of me. More people should besides Colts' fans should be mentioning this.

Cody

did you know that moss didn't play preseason? not 1 game.

here are his stats from the first game brady and moss played together:
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REC YDS AVG LNG TD
9 183 20.3 51 1</pre><hr />

not everyone needs to play 3 years together to make it work

you are a moron. no, not everyone needs 3 years together to make it work, but randy moss is the ultimate example of a receiver to whom you can just throw the ball up to. randall cunningham had a career revival with him.

so yes when one of the best QBs of all time and possibly the greatest WR of all time hook up, they just MIGHT be successful

on the other hand when you're playing with practice squad level players, it's all about timing because those guys aren't going to get open much.

Yes Randy Moss did wonders in Oakland.........

the fact of the matter is, Manning is not as good as we were once led to believe as nfl fans. At first he appeared to be a great nfl qb, but that was only when he was surrounded by pro-bowl weapons. Now that he's even missing a couple pro bowlers, he's playing like garbage. And he still has Reggie Wayne, Addai, and Dallas Clark for the most part.

Unless he is surrounded by studs, Manning is mediocre at best.

it's actually pretty sad. I feel cheated as an nfl fan but it's up to me to point out the truth... and this is it.

It's kinda amazing. Without a top 5 WR all-time. He almost single handedly beat the best team all-time (of course he had help from a solid D and wonderful Addai play) this season. If not for a horrible 4th, they could have won the game. Amazing, now he's mediocre.

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11-19-2007 , 07:00 PM

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when you consider the ridiculously biased officials, artificial crowd noise, and the fact that it was new england's worst game of the year..... it really isn't that amazing.

try again.

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11-19-2007 , 07:01 PM

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it is weird - the cast he had in the NE game was pretty similar to this week. (besides the oline). but subjectively he did look a whole lot worse.

it just means he's human, that's all

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11-19-2007 , 07:03 PM

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when you consider the ridiculously biased officials, artificial crowd noise, and the fact that it was new england's worst game of the year..... it really isn't that amazing.

try again.

you have too much artificial crowd noise in your head

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11-19-2007 , 07:04 PM

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when you consider the ridiculously biased officials, artificial crowd noise, and the fact that it was new england's worst game of the year..... it really isn't that amazing.

try again.

Imagine that. NE worst game against the Colts D. Pretty suprising.

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11-19-2007 , 07:04 PM

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how about everyone just waits till manning and bradys careers are over and then argue who was better? its pretty clear neither side will give in to the other right now...

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11-19-2007 , 07:07 PM

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it is weird - the cast he had in the NE game was pretty similar to this week. (besides the oline). but subjectively he did look a whole lot worse.

it just means he's human, that's all

Can't forget no Freeney on D. Law gives Peyton the "jimmys" and Clark isn't anywhere near 100%. O-line is huge though. Imagine Brady without his o-line where he never gets touched and can just step up. He looks invincible right now. Also KC has a good pass D, actually one of the best in the league.

I just find it funny that he has a couple bad game stretch, albeit 1 game against an instoppable team and the other against a team where Madden has his worst half ever and almost won the game. Then he come sinto this game, he does play mediocre but still he isn't overall a mediocre QB b/c of a bad 3 game stretch. I'm pretty sure we can find many 3 game stretches in Brady's career where he is comparably bad.

Peyton wasn't particularly good last year in the playoffs vs KC either. Yes 30-38, but 3 picks to 1 TD. He used Clark tremendously with 9 catches for 10 yards. Marvin and Wayve combined for only 88 yards between the two. Addai was much worse on Sunday than last year. Probally has something to do with the o-line.

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11-19-2007 , 07:09 PM

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Law didn't play much this week at all. He had some kind of injury that limited him.

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11-19-2007 , 07:13 PM

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I'm pretty sure we can find many 3 game stretches in Brady's career where he is comparably bad.

you know, I don't think you could, though I could be wrong. what kills Peyton here are the 6 int's he threw last week. maybe if you go back to 2002, Brady's 2nd year, you can argue he had a 3 game stretch as bad

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11-19-2007 , 07:13 PM

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it is weird - the cast he had in the NE game was pretty similar to this week. (besides the oline). but subjectively he did look a whole lot worse.

it just means he's human, that's all

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11-19-2007 , 07:14 PM

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Whoops. Manning.

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11-19-2007 , 07:22 PM

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I'm pretty sure we can find many 3 game stretches in Brady's career where he is comparably bad.

you know, I don't think you could, though I could be wrong. what kills Peyton here are the 6 int's he threw last week

Manning played far worse vs the Chiefs than vs the Chargers.

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11-19-2007 , 07:59 PM

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What exactly are we arguing here? Manning has been sacked the fewest times in the league since he came in (IIRC) and has consistently had some of the best receivers and one of the best offensive lines in the league.

Now that Brady FINALLY gets equal or better receivers everyone is blaming his numbers all on them? I don't follow.

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11-19-2007 , 08:00 PM

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I'm pretty sure we can find many 3 game stretches in Brady's career where he is comparably bad.

Yes, you pretty much can. Take last years Indy game and go two games in either direction. It might not be AS bad, but its comparably bad. Or take any 3 of the first four games from last year, even.

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11-19-2007 , 08:03 PM

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No one is trying to argue against what Brady has done this year. Its the "Manning isn't that good" stuff that is getting all the heat.

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11-19-2007 , 08:37 PM

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2p2 needs to follow FO and make an irrational Brady v Manning thread, and all idiotic discussions should go in there and ONLY there.

Great idea.

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11-19-2007 , 08:43 PM

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I hate Manning, but I think calling the dude mediocre is a bit of a stretch.

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11-19-2007 , 08:58 PM

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11-19-2007 , 09:03 PM

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I hate Manning, but I think calling the dude mediocre is a bit of a stretch.

what about calling him a bitch then? cause he's definitely a bitch.

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11-19-2007 , 09:05 PM

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I'm pretty sure we can find many 3 game stretches in Brady's career where he is comparably bad.

Yes, you pretty much can. Take last years Indy game and go two games in either direction. It might not be AS bad, but its comparably bad. Or take any 3 of the first four games from last year, even.

well, here are the 3 game sums. Brady certainly wasn't great, but I don't think anyone would say he was as bad as Manning.

ATT COMP % Yards Y/A TD INT QB Rating
57 107 0.53 703 6.57 4 2 78.53

ATT COMP % Yards Y/A TD INT QB Rating
73 114 0.64 826 7.25 5 6 78.07

ATT COMP % Yards Y/A TD INT QB Rating
66 115 0.57 716 6.23 3 8 61.5

I'm not even sure why this matters, I think Manning is awesome, but just that his last 3 games have been really bad

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11-19-2007 , 09:17 PM

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I hate Manning, but I think calling the dude mediocre is a bit of a stretch.

what about calling him a bitch then? cause he's definitely a bitch.

Thumbs up from me.

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11-19-2007 , 09:24 PM

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This is the irrational thread right?

Manning is the most overrated player in NFL history. If it wasn't for his stellar defense he would never have won a superbowl. The schedule makes for the Colts are extremely bias, don't you see how they get a bye week every year prior to each Jaguar game? How bout the fact that this year they get a bye week and a long week to prepare for JAX(thursday night game FTW). Manning is just a robot created by Polian.