most of the raw, unadjusted career stats will indeed favor Manning

well yeah the stats usually do end up favoring the better qb

Any/a for Brady's career = 6.8
Any/a for Manning's career = 7.1

Manning has 2 more attempts/game over his career. Which doesn't seem much, but when you consider that's 2nd all time, you need to account for diminishing returns on per pass efficiency.

Brady also had 2 years to learn the system on the bench while Manning was playing.

I mean .5 in Y/A is probably the edge Manning recieves in park effects vs Brady

or more

me quoting me:

how much of an edge does brady get for knowing the defense's calls?

apparently he gets a negative edge!

Y/A is not as good a metric as any/a, but Manning's Y/A over his career is 7.6

Here are the QBs with 7.1 Y/A

half a yard every time he drops back to pass? i don't believe you.

see above, I edited my post

I don't know what the correct adjustment is, but my guess is it's large

I agree that playing 8 home games in a dome and then road games at Hou/Ten/Jax isn't exactly the same as playing 8 at Foxboro and then road games at Buff/NY/Mia

Fun fact: Peyton has played an outdoor game at home

if you want to peruse from career split stats by all kinds of things:

Peyton
Brady

I see that Peyton's outdoors any/a is higher than Brady's.

Manning: 29 of 206 starts when windy (14%)
Brady: 53 of 146 starts when windy (37%)

Worth mentioning

ok why don't we just compare road careers? not perfect but it helps sort of the hfa, dome and outdoors in foxboro mess. brady has a career 63.8 completion % with a 7.6 ypa on the road. manning has a career 64.6 completion % with a 7.5 ypa on the road. seems pretty similar.

of course then we should also account for the fact that manning has taken almost the exact same number of sacks as brady (118 vs 116) despite the fact that brady has 2/3 as many attempts on road (3638 vs 2353).

still taking manning.

I see you ignored the TD/INT

Peyton on road: 190/107 (1.77)
Brady on road: 134/67 (2.0)

are you sure? I don't see it there, but glancing at the #'s my guess is Brady is higher

sames pretty similar, then you quickly realize who has had by far better offensive talent and u realize its not close (and no, 1 year of moss playing at an elite level doesn't come close to changing it)

brady >> manning

Brady knowing the defensive calls + having a better defense that puts the offense in better field position.

brady knowing the defensive calls apparently didn't do much since hes put up farrrrrrrrr better stats than he did pre spygate

also if anything having a worse field position helps a qb rack up moar stats, it's easier to play from say ur own 20 yardline than it is from say the other teams 30 as the defense has a much bigger area to defend, it's also easier to put together moar yards as if u start at the 50 the most yards u can throw for is 50 on a drive (yes i realize it could be moar than that due to negative run plays but w/e) where as if u start at the 20 u can throw for 80.

I've always been fervently on the Manning side of this debate. Brady has, imo, seriously closed the gap this season.

Kb4Z,

Does Brady have a "Belichick" advantage?

Brady's career road AY/A is higher than Manning's. Like 7.4 to 7.2. He has averaged about 2 fewer attempts per game.

i like how in comparing the 49 vs. 50 td years, mannings any/a is .9 yards better than brady.

Well, if I'm doing it right.

Brady has 4237 att. + 221 sacks = 4458 dropbacks

30 783 passing yards - 1398 sack yards = 29 385 yards

29 385 yards/4458 dropbacks = 6,59

Manning has 3473 attempts + 112 sacks = 3585 dropbacks

25 753 pass yards - 760 sack yards = 24 993 yards

24 993 yards/3585 dropbacks = 6,97

yeah i ignored it because td/int is gay and super high variance
i agree that right now it's very close but i thought we were taking overall. also one season is still one season.
it's not on p-f-r's splits page but i'm almost positive manning's road ny/a is higher.

I think he has played with a better HC over his career, sure. (though as I posted in the other thread, BB's record without Brady is < 50% with over 100 games played)

I also think Brady has generally played on a team that was less offensively focused. this has helped him in the ranggggz department but hurt him in the offensive stats department

the last few years they have played on more similar teams

I tried to do this before but had excel fail

maybe it's like wins and losses for a pitcher. over the short term it looks awful, but when you look at a guys career, they make a lot more sense

I think SL was saying that he always thought Mannings career >>>> Brady's career. but when you include 2010/recent years, those career starts start to look a lot closer