NFL Old and Ongoing Bicker about Manning vs. Brady Thread. AKA The Biggest Loser - Page 22 - Sporting Events and Fantasy Sports

the 06 Pats line is better than 10 Colts O line

Peyton still has an elite WR, while the Pats leading receiver that year was Reche Caldwell with 61 receptions. 40% of his CAREER receptions came in that year.

it was probably the worst set of WR's in the league, and was why BB went on such a WR spree in the offseason, acquiring Moss, Welka, and Stallworth

This "BB" sounds like a good guy to play for.

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12-07-2010 , 04:09 PM

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lol at this. just massive lols.

Wayne's kinda a stud tho

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12-07-2010 , 04:11 PM

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i love how you ignore my points

I don't understand any of them

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12-07-2010 , 04:12 PM

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This "BB" sounds like a good guy to play for.

I'm not saying anything different. he has spent a ton more resources in recent years on the offense, getting better talent around the QB. Brady's stats have gone up with it. but before that, resources were not dedicated on the passing game nearly as much. it was a team built primarily around the defense, though by 2004 they were great on both sides of the ball

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12-07-2010 , 04:12 PM

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Just more fun with numbers: The Colts are averaging 79 YPG rushing this year.

The Colts have had one 100 yard rushing game from a RB this year (Addai vs. WSH) and one game where 2 RBs combined for >100 (Week 2 vs. NYG). Sick O-line work there...

good pass blocker =/= good run blocker how do you not know this

Also Polian cut their best run blocking lineman after the SB loss because OMG Peyton actually got hit twice in a game

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12-07-2010 , 04:17 PM

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good pass blocker =/= good run blocker how do you not know this

Of course they aren't equal, but it's still probably noteworthy when a team has such an abysmal rushing game. I mean maybe Saturday, Diem and the other three interchangeable stooges are just resting on run plays to conserve energy for the pass plays, but I think the more reasonable explanation is that they just aren't very good at either.

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Also Polian cut their best run blocking lineman after the SB loss because OMG Peyton actually got hit twice in a game

Yep, don't make personnel moves when drunk or raging or both kids.

For the record, he said (last night on his radio show) that he allowed Llija to leave for fear he wouldn't come back healthy from his injury. Oops

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12-07-2010 , 04:31 PM

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Cool to see that someone mentioned Bradshaw and Staubach, they were both really good and deserve to be mentioned when picking the top 10 of all time. Not sure why Bradshaw gets no respect here, it's like everyone thinks he's ******ed or something. I watched him win all those superbowls and the guy could play. Seems like you gotta pass for a zillion yards to get any respect in this forum.

The thing I remember most about Marino was how strong his arm and how quick his release was. He would have been sacked a ton more were it not for the fact that he could get off a pass in almost no time at all, just amazing.

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12-07-2010 , 04:38 PM

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Colts really have missed Jake Scott imo. I don't know why he went to tennessee but it seems to be one of Polians oops.

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12-07-2010 , 04:54 PM

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Cause maybe we realize that Bradshaw had one of the greatest all-time Ds and that benefited him in winning 4 titles. Or maybe the QB doesn't deserve all the praise when he wins a title, especially when he doesn't have to do much. You do realize Trent Dilfer have led their teams to the same # of titles as Peyton Manning has, but it doesn't mean they are anywhere near equals. # of titles is nice as QB but not indicative of being great.

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12-07-2010 , 04:57 PM

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Why are people quick to say that McNabb has regressed due to old age but with Peyton they think it must simply be his poor surrounding cast? Peyton is older.

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12-07-2010 , 05:01 PM

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he is also goat

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12-07-2010 , 06:20 PM

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I didn't say his D wasn't awesome. I didn't say that the same awesome D benefited him in winning 4 titles. I didn't say he deserves all the praise. I didn't say anything about Trent Dilfer. I didn't say that # of titles is the defing criteria for anything. Or did I?

I just said the Bradshaw was really good, and worthy of being included in the discussion of top 10 QB's of all time. Do you disagree? If so fine, but your post was useless in making that argument.

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12-07-2010 , 06:27 PM

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the only reason he is in the HOF is b/c of the 4 SBs. The rest of his resume is pretty mediocre even adjusting for Era. I guess he does have 1 MVP and 2 SB MVps but most of his HOF resume is due to him leading his team to 4 SBs. His stats are LOL in comparison to the QBs most consider to be top 10 all time. He obviously just wins games....there is a list of QBs from the 70s that probably could of won titles QBs for the Steelers.

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12-07-2010 , 08:30 PM

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Joe Namath was awesome too right?

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12-07-2010 , 08:32 PM

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The thing I remember most about Marino was how strong his arm and how quick his release was. He would have been sacked a ton more were it not for the fact that he could get off a pass in almost no time at all, just amazing.

This is pretty clearly false. I have it on good authority from other posters ITT that Manning didn't get sacked because his O-line was good and probably not because of his release.

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12-07-2010 , 08:35 PM

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Cut his hair recently.

Peyton Manning...... now there's a haircut you can set your watch to!

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12-07-2010 , 10:12 PM

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I can't believe people are still arguing Brady because Manning had a bad month.

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12-07-2010 , 10:18 PM

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sure, ok. it's just kind of funny that thats the exact argument that Brady supporters had for years. it was a team focused on defense without real star power (or even great talent) around the QB.

idk whether this has been addressed already but this isn't the current construction of the colts. they are a team built around offense that has lost a lot of its offensive talent, hence the increased workload manning has received

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12-07-2010 , 10:21 PM

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I can't believe people are still arguing Brady because Manning had a bad month.

it's not that November 2010 Brady > November 2010 Manning, it's that September 2007 - December 2010 Brady > September 2007 - December 2010 Manning

it's a pretty large sample of recent years

(given, after you adjust for a lost year that Brady had...but all 3 of his most recent years have been better than Mannings)

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12-07-2010 , 10:47 PM

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I can't believe people are still arguing Brady because Manning had a bad month.

Meh, it's not as if Manning has been astronomically better than Brady or anything. They're the two best QBs of their generation. People just like to debate.

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Originally Posted by tarheeljks

Pretty much. The deconstruction of the line as well as the injuries have put a huge amount of the weight on Manning. Losing your 2-4 WRs in an offense comprised largely of option and timing routes is huge. Losing Clark given all his does is huge. Etc. Etc.

Sucks, but all teams have to deal with injuries.

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12-07-2010 , 10:50 PM

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Meh, it's not as if Manning has been astronomically better than Brady or anything. They're the two best QBs of their generation. People just like to debate.

well this I agree with!

I think after you realize that this isn't baseball, and ergo is hard to completely isolate for individual performance w/in the team setting, and then adjust for things like park factor and schedule, it's just a giant unclear debate, albeit one that has become a lot closer in recent years

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12-07-2010 , 10:54 PM

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It'd be great to have 162 football games a year to really assemble a statistically relevant sample, but those deaths...oh so many deaths.

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12-07-2010 , 11:23 PM

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This is pretty clearly false. I have it on good authority from other posters ITT that Manning didn't get sacked because his O-line was good and probably not because of his release.

Manning is without a doubt the best QB at avoiding sacks, I mean Brady is good but he looks like a chump in this comparison

no Oline, no run game at all, defense geared for pass plays every down he still has only been sacked 13times in 12games on 534attempts lol, granted the pressure has effected him, its clear you'll never sack him a lot

Brady 18sacks/385 attempts
and for the lols Roethlisberger 22sacks on 258 attempts

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12-07-2010 , 11:33 PM

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Here are Peyton's last 3 games, without the INTs listed:
38-52 73.1% 396 4 TDs
31-48 64.6% 285 2 TDs
36-48 75.0% 365 2 TDs

lol @ all the Manning hate after this....what a horrible stretch! omgbbq he is TOAST!

QB's have less control over INT's than you think
QB's have more control over sacks than you think
OL affects QB's more than you think

Manning is GOAT, not close