why don't you try addressing what i posted.

saying "troll" or saying you hate me only proves my point further.

If it's so ridiculous it should be very easy to provide a solid response.

How much do we discount Brady's rating for his coaches illegally recording the opposition's defense?

How much do we discount for the other as-of-yet-undiscovered ways that the Pats' coaches have been cheating since Belichick took over?


Warning: This post is intended to rile up Patriot fans and should not be used to inspire serious debate.

the videotaping clearly HURT Brady, ldo, just look at the #'s for this year vs last

So how will the rest of the teams in the NFL react. Let's say the Pats keep Moss. Will the rest of the teams try to grab up FAs from the Pats? Will the CBs have to get larger to overcome Moss? There will be a reaction to what the Pats have done by the NFL or the other teams. The 80s dynasties were fixed through FA. Now the Pats have gotten around it by getting good players to pay for less (Both Thomas and Moss are paid less than Market value, Thomas slightly less (9ers offered a bigger deal) and Moss much less (he took a paycut).

The Pats are fun, but they won't be fun for the NFL in the long run to lessen the parity that seemed to exist for the last 10 years.

People have been providing very solid responses to you for weeks now. Hasn't helped.

there aren't many. Asante & Moss are the 2 huge ones. Bruschi and Seau iirc, but I can't see them going anywhere but NE at this point.

it's very doubtful Stallworth will be back, he's due for like a $7m roster bonus. I think the Pats hope Chad Jackson (high pick from last year, just got activated) will be able to fill in his role.

the big question is if Moss will takes a discount to stay in NE, where he is winning and putting up huge #'s.

you're talking about mb the best WR ever (at his peak). he's an extreme rarity, I'm not sure if that can/should cause a league wide adjustment.

the dynasty is still a precarious thing - a few bad FA signings and bad drafts will hurt.

though, the cap has risen enough that teams right now have a bit more room for error . this will change in a couple years though, as old contracts expire

QFT

And since he ignores all legitimate responses there's no way to make him stop.

I also mean, yeah, this year they should be fine e/c those 2. But in the long run teams are going to go after their o-line and there marginally good guys. These things eventually killed other dynasties. Right now, the only guys look like the Pats would die without are Brady in all likelyhood. But guys on their D-line will eventually want more money and they aren't all that replacable especially Seymour (I know he has a long term deal), Wilfork, etc.

My point is, yes the Pats are killing now not only b/c they have better personnel, management, coaching, etc. Eventually what they are doing will be known by the league (not saying it's illegal) and they will react to bring the train eventually down.

I think a large part of their success has been "find one of the top 5 QB's ever" and "hire maybe the best HC ever". I don't think that is very repeatable

of course you're right, they have also done well in the draft and in the FA market. but the league saw what this team was doing as far back as 2003 and 2004, and has been doing the things you talked about since then (signing our free agents, etc). even in 2005 we were 1 controversial game away from hosting the AFC championship game, and last year we did play in the championship game. ironically we won in 2001 when the team was not really elite, but that means the team has been in the public eye since 2001 and elite from 2003-2007, and not much has really changed, and in fact this team is the easily the best of the bunch

ironically, the more teams pay big money for our replaceable parts (ie Damien Woody with the Lions, Daniel Graham with the Broncos, Deion Branch, the list goes on and on) the more it hurts them and helps us. their cap space gets smaller, ours gets bigger.

the Pats have basically refused to pay for what a guy has ALREADY done, their draft record has been pretty damn good, and they have all time greats at the 2 most important positions (HC and QB). I'm not sure what their doing is very repeatable, except by the Colts or until the next great QB emerges.

eventually the dynasty will end of course, but I think it will be when Brady gets old & BB retires & we start making bad personnel mistakes. ie 2-4 more years.

another random point which I'm sure you don't want to think about: the trade with the 49ers is going to give us a huge boost. that pick is likely to be around #3, which they will be able trade into 2 20ish picks and maybe more. there is an outside chance that pick turns into 3 #1's

Maybe it's just me being optimistic, but did anyone see his post game interview? He looked pretty darn happy. "I'm in a dream. It's too good to be true. I'm with the Patriots."

Yep, I can't see him leaving. He's getting older and he's made his money (ironically by playing awful/refusing to play) so now I'd guess it's time for him to take a cut and stay with NE.

Of course to paraphrase the Native American proverb "When you picked me up you knew I was Randy Moss".

Cody

Quoted the whole post since it's all true, but the fact that it's taken weeks for someone else to mention #4 tilts the [censored] out of me. More people should besides Colts' fans should be mentioning this.

Cody

Brady is knocking up super models while Peyton is tricking Eli into giving him a hj.

qft

did you know that moss didn't play preseason? not 1 game.

here are his stats from the first game brady and moss played together:
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not everyone needs to play 3 years together to make it work

you are a moron. no, not everyone needs 3 years together to make it work, but randy moss is the ultimate example of a receiver to whom you can just throw the ball up to. randall cunningham had a career revival with him.

so yes when one of the best QBs of all time and possibly the greatest WR of all time hook up, they just MIGHT be successful

on the other hand when you're playing with practice squad level players, it's all about timing because those guys aren't going to get open much.

Yes Randy Moss did wonders in Oakland.........

the fact of the matter is, Manning is not as good as we were once led to believe as nfl fans. At first he appeared to be a great nfl qb, but that was only when he was surrounded by pro-bowl weapons. Now that he's even missing a couple pro bowlers, he's playing like garbage. And he still has Reggie Wayne, Addai, and Dallas Clark for the most part.

Unless he is surrounded by studs, Manning is mediocre at best.

it's actually pretty sad. I feel cheated as an nfl fan but it's up to me to point out the truth... and this is it.

Congrats, PLO8FaceKilla. There have been a myriad of ****** trolls in 2p2 history since I have been apart of this forum. You are the first I have ever put on ignore. For the sake of the rest of 2p2, I hope you get banned.

you too?

i put two other guys on ignore but have since removed them. i cannot imagine i will do that with this guy.

this is the funniest post of the day. apparently manning haters went from criticizing his "inability" to win a big game to simply calling him mediocre.

do you really think a mediocre qb could AVERAGE 4000+ yrds/season and almost 30 td/season for 10 seasons simply because he is surrounded by studs? troy aikman can be considered mediocre (though he was really just below average) on some sick stud teams, and the BEST season he had was 3445 yards passing and 23 TDs (w/ 14 INTs).

yeah, I feel cheated when I get dealt aces. i lose with them like 20 percent of the time. [censored] phil helmuth told me it's the best possible hand.

edited because SE is the new B&amp;M

he was being a little bitch and refusing to put forth effort for a team that had no chance. as someone else mentioned, if all else fails brady can just throw it up and moss will often catch it when in single coverage and will still retrieve it at an alarming rate when doubled (not to take anything away from brady).


omg life tilt.

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