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02-13-2023 , 01:38 AM

#4276

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sure, why not?

if you guys had belichick by the tune of 120-20 over brady then i think mahomes is a slam dunk

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02-13-2023 , 06:31 AM

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1. Brady
2. Montana
3. Mahomes
4. Manning

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02-11-2024 , 11:53 PM

#4278

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Time to add a new name/contender to the thread title. Only 27 years old with 2 SB's and 2 MVP's.

Bump. Make it 28 years old with 3 SB's and 2 MVP's.

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02-12-2024 , 12:44 AM

#4279

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Mahomes joins a pretty elite group. Lots of guys with 2 but not many with 3+

Tom Brady 7
Terry Bradshaw 4
Joe Montana 4
Troy Aikman 3

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02-12-2024 , 01:34 AM

#4280

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mahomes GOAT, not worried about all that, have it, who cares....not gonna be a jordanesque stan caring about his legacy 10-20 yrs after hes done playing unless 1 of these guys puts me on payroll

just glad brady could be considered more valuable than his ****ing coach, very generous of the nfl universe to concede that

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02-12-2024 , 06:28 AM

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Yeah Mahomes is clearly the best I’ve seen do it. Like basketball, kinda mad the successor entered the scene immediately. But that’s human progress, there will always be someone better, it’s just a matter of when.

Mahomes needs to add more rings because the culture is obsessed with that and he has a H2H Super Bowl loss. But he’s way ahead of schedule thus far. I think it is very clear that he is more impactful in the key moments, brings more to the table. As such, the org around him has more bandwidth for imperfection while still conferring ring equity.

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02-12-2024 , 08:30 AM

#4282

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Question about this thread, when did the biggest loser part get put in the title? I assume that is because they both kept losing in the playoffs every year from 2005-2013 besides the 2006 Colts?

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02-12-2024 , 10:03 AM

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Question about this thread, when did the biggest loser part get put in the title? I assume that is because they both kept losing in the playoffs every year from 2005-2013 besides the 2006 Colts?

Was it not related to the fruitlessness of the debate beyond a certain point?

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02-12-2024 , 02:02 PM

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Count me in on the Mahomes side. Brady has still accomplished more but you can't tell me from watching them both play that you think Brady has more raw talent.

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02-12-2024 , 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Spring Mustachio

Count me in on the Mahomes side. Brady has still accomplished more but you can't tell me from watching them both play that you think Brady has more raw talent.

Nobody who has watched more than 30 minutes of football would think Brady had more raw talent than Mahomes. It's not even close. But longevity is an important part of the discussion and not only do we not know if Mahomes has that but we also don't know if he even wants to have that.

No NFL QB has a 6 year stretch that's comparable to the 6 seasons of Mahomes as a starting QB. But unless he plays another 10+ seasons and wins at least two more rings the longevity crowd won't be convinced. Everyone has the right to define greatness the way they see it.

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02-12-2024 , 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyLloyd

Was it not related to the fruitlessness of the debate beyond a certain point?

I figured it had to do with them both losing every year for awhile despite being considered the 2 best QBs, thought maybe the bigger loser got put in there after joey flacks gave them both the work within a 7 day span. Or maybe when the Sanchize and crew did so 2 years prior. Only 2 teams to beat both of them in the same year.

Obviously QB importance has gone up steadily over time, it is hard to see someone like a Mayfield/Cousins/Goff beating Mahomes/Allen b2b weeks. Not impossible, but much harder.

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02-13-2024 , 12:01 AM

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If you're at 100 posts per page go to page 21.

'AKA The Biggest Loser' gets added to the title at post #2072. (Indeed, after the Flacco'ing.)

Here's the first post of that page, after Brady lost to Eli again in '12.

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Brady will surpass him now because it really seems he'll play till he's 38 and Manning is done now but Brady's failure from 05-on in the playoffs is a gigantic boost to Manning's legacy, now the best 2 QBs of the era both spent their elite years failing, so much more to winning than simply QB play

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02-13-2024 , 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by pwnsall

Brady didn't become a choker until he got good

there's no real point except I find it entertaining

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Originally Posted by Debo9

anyone that thinks brady > manning is just ******ed

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Originally Posted by vixticator

Brady 3 rangz, Manning 3 rangz

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Originally Posted by Debo9

brady hasn't won without a camera on his sidelines

lol

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Originally Posted by clowntable

Manning>Manning>Brady

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Originally Posted by PlzBeALevel

Brady was inaccurate on basically every pass he tried to throw over 15 yards today.

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Originally Posted by prohornblower

Brady is ****ing AIDS. So glad I went TRON at 4th overall instead of that Bieber-haircuted lunatic.

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Originally Posted by Karak

brady confirmed worse than both mannings now, right? i mean honestly brady's legacy as the most perfect passer ever(TM) who can never make a mistake is absolutely shattered, yes?

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Originally Posted by Needle77

God...I can't wait until Cutler gets a legit team around him. NFL is gonna get destroyed.

2011/12 was fun ... i want to go back to there

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02-13-2024 , 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by clowntable

This thread can be locked untill Brady can beat Peyton's little brother. Untill then I belive the argument is settled.

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Originally Posted by ShimmyBasis

How many superbowls do the pats win with GOAT instead of Brady? 7? 8?

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Originally Posted by tabbaker

All of them

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Originally Posted by Shark Sandwich

Brady's annual choking in a big playoff game is more predictable than the vernal equinox

Let's discuss the part where he put up 13 points as a big favorite. Where have I seen that before, you mediocre system QB who can't throw more than 15 yards beyond the LOS?

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Remember when this was a debate?

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Originally Posted by StoppedRainingMen

you mean "never"?

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Originally Posted by RT

IT'S MANNING AUSTIN, IT WAS MANNING THE WHOLE TIME!!

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Originally Posted by Goodie

I conceded years ago but at this point I don't even know how anyone could be on Brady's side. I'm sure there are some ******ed Boston fans that are though.

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Originally Posted by Palo

Change thread title to "NFL Old and Long Settled Bicker..."

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Originally Posted by ShimmyBasis

Question for pats fans- how times does Brady need to be exposed before you guys finally accept that he is an overrated, fraudulent coward? 15? 20? Give me a number.

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Originally Posted by A-Rod's Cousin

Think about Brady's legacy if he walked into the sunset immediately after he got his 3rd ring. Instead, he got greedy and went for 5+ and has been proven to be historically fraudulent.

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Originally Posted by bravos1

Yep... 15 years from now, he'll be remembered as being slightly better than Big Rape and Flacco.

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Originally Posted by Lagtastic

This debate is SO over. It's a shame it will live on due to manning-haters.

this is what they took from us...

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02-13-2024 , 08:57 AM

#4290

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The Seahawks choke reversed the curse on Brady

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02-13-2024 , 02:25 PM

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The way I look at it, Brady just played long enough for the variance to even out, and broke even on heart-wrenching SB results. (I guess the second loss to NYG wasn't that bad, although IIRC the Pats were on the verge of being able to kill the clock if Welker doesn't look over the wrong shoulder or something and drop an easy first down.)

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02-13-2024 , 03:03 PM

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The way I look at it, Brady just played long enough for the variance to even out

That's an interesting thought. Outside Brady and excluding Earl Morrall who played a very long time ago and was a backup for most of his career, here's the number of career starts for the QBs who won at least 3 SBs:

Bradshaw 158
Montana 164
Aikman 165
Mahomes 96

None of them had a crazy long career. Favre started in 298 games, Brees in 286 and Peyton Manning in 265. Even Aaron Rodgers is at 224 career starts already, that's almost 40% more than the guys on the list above.

Brady started more games than Montana and Aikman combined.

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02-13-2024 , 04:18 PM

#4293

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Sure Brady is still a ****ing stud, he could walk back and be top half of starting QBs if he wanted

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02-13-2024 , 04:53 PM

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I think if TB had just a hair better offensive talent he probably woulda re-upped this year, MFer would be at almost 95k yards, at that point you may as well just stick around to roll the odometer over lol.

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02-13-2024 , 11:03 PM

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Everyone knows Brady is just taking time to relax and recover so he can come back fresh and win a SB at 50.

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02-13-2024 , 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyLloyd

Mahomes needs to add more rings because the culture is obsessed with that and he has a H2H Super Bowl loss.

I think it's safe to say Brady's SB win over Mahomes was easily his most satisfying, for multiple reasons.

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02-13-2024 , 11:46 PM

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I gotta think the win over Seattle, they beat the Broncos by 35 the previous year and Brady hadn't won in a decade at that point with some brutal L's in there. In terms of how he felt after the game atleast. Belichick as well. Probably a similar "****ing finally" as LeBron in 2012 or Manning in 2006 despite having won before.

Maybe Tampa because it was his SB without the Pats, now that he won the war he has no problem saying "aww gee shucks how isn't Belichick hired?" but I'm sure he wanted to be able to dunk on him after leaving.

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02-13-2024 , 11:55 PM

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Mahomes playoff game log is absurd. It's like a tribute to anti-fraudulence.

He's got one sort of meh game in there that he won (SB LIV against SF, but he was still better than Jimmy G) and other than that, his other two poor games, he rightfully lost.

Then he's got two games where he played well enough to win but ended up losing (AFCCG in 2019 to NE and AFCCG in 2022 to CIN).

The rest are ALL >105 QBRtg games with 1 or fewer INT which he wins because duh

It looks like the ****ing guy is playing Madden on easy

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02-14-2024 , 12:01 AM

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pete carroll should die of gonorrhea and rot in hell

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02-14-2024 , 12:21 AM

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He's got one sort of meh game in there that he won (SB LIV against SF, but he was still better than Jimmy G) and other than that, his other two poor games, he rightfully lost.

Then he's got two games where he played well enough to win but ended up losing (AFCCG in 2019 to NE and AFCCG in 2022 to CIN).

You might be counting the AFCCG loss to the Bengals twice.

He's 15-3 overall with two overtime losses (NE, CIN) and one blowout loss against TB.

Loss against NE he started bad and finished spectacularly. If they win the OT coin toss they win the game and Superbowl based on how bad the Rams played in that game. Loss against TB he didn't have a line and was on the run all game. That was a bad performance start to finish. Loss to Bengals was an up and down performance in a weird game.

Both SB wins against SF he started very slow with a couple bad mistakes but got going when he had to.

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