1.55?

lol wow dude, you just got leveled so hard.

any argument just looking at unadjusted stats makes this debate pretty dumb, it's obviously Peyton >>> Brady

but when you start to consider things like opponents adjustments and team resource allocation, its becomes a whole lot cloudier.

Peyton is an all time elite QB, no doubt about it. maybe the goat. but he has also had a perfect storm around him for piling up raw counting stats. he plays his home games inside, some of his away games inside, and most away games in warm weather. his team has traditionally been more focused on offense than defense. and some years he has put up great stats -like this year - he faced lol bad pass defenses but most people don't really bother to adjust for this stuff.

in baseball that kind of adjustment is decades old but in football somehow it's just ok to look at raw passing yardage

for most of Brady's career it was the opposite. more resources were allocated to defense. he plays home games and most away games outdoors in the northeast.

re: opponent adjustments, Peyton was the MVP this year and everyone was very quick to crown him goat. but stats like DVOA say Brady was better, largely b/c there was a gigantic difference in defenses faced. if you look at their stats vs. common opponents only this comes through.

I can't think of anyone who would draft Sean Payton, the player, over Tom Brady. That would be pretty insane DUCY?

IDK, I hear Payton makes some ballsy decisions and has a rocket arm.

How was I leveled? I get it, you saying clutch exists in baseball but not football.

oops.

Remember it is a team sport the greatest QB in the NFL can only get his team to the Superbowl not win it singlehandedly.

Manning>Brady - manning is not the greatest ever but he has certainly used the current rules to his advantage to put up impressive numbers.

I really don't see how anyone could even put Brady in the top 10 all time without being the biggest NE homer fanboy type.

except in the playoffs where Brady>Manning

You must mean Eli or Archie, because Peyton has been a fair bit better in the playoffs than Tom Brady.

Player	Comp %	Yards/Att	Int %	Sack %	ANY/A
Manning	62.9%	7.46	2.67%	3.4%	6.54
Brady	62.0%	6.45	2.35%	4.6%	5.68

ANY/A is an adjusted yards per attempt that takes into account touchdowns and sacks.

raaaangz

What's the Patriots vs Colts record in the playoffs during the Brady vs Manning years?

since 04 Brady is 5-4, Manning is 6-3 so when they've both been elite they have similar results but when Brady was still emerging as a QB he went 9-0

Brees is 4-1 dawg

Brady really had some sick offensive weapons in Troy Brown and Kevin Faulk when he would pick apart teams during the post season w/o getting nervous and throwing a pick 6 at a vital point in the game.

he also won games with absolute monsters like

12/18 115 0/0
16/27 145 1/0

Teams with strong defenses are more apt to play small ball football, eating the clock and resting their defense while slowly moving the chains. The reason why Brady gets so much credit is for his ability to endlessly make the right decision and consistently make something out of nothing.

yeah that plan doesn't work when your defense can't stop the other team, Brees had a field day for the last 3quarters

likewise having to lead a 80yd td drive just to tie the game is a totally different beast than a 35yd drive for a 48yd fg when the game is tied

You can't argue that Manning has better stats due to playing on better offenses but then not acknowledge that Brady has more rangsss from having better defenses.

I think the Dome vs NE argument is valid and I hadn't considered it. Still doesn't mean Brady>Manning but it certainly makes it closer in my mind.

Peyton Manning will go down as one of the top 4 or 5 quarterbacks of all time, even if he were to retire today.

What hurts him currently is that he's only 9-9 in playoffs and has 1 super bowl ring from beating a mediocre Bears team led by Rex Grossman. Manning has a long history of choking in big games, going back to his college days in Tennessee when he would have monster games against weaker teams and then get absolutely destroyed by Steve Spurrier's Florida. With the colts, he was surrounded by top offensive talent; if I'm not mistaken, there are 9 first round draft picks in the colts' offense, and yet, Manning has struggled in playoffs. In contrast, Brady won his 3 super bowl rings BEFORE Moss and Welker joined him, and he was the only pro bow player in the entire Patriots offense. Of course, the Pats had an amazing defense, which alleviated some pressure on Brady. But if I were to pick one QB for an important game, it would be Brady without a question.

This is important. Manning, Warner and other indoor QBs have bigger home-road splits than Brady and other cold-weather QBs.

this was a good post, and i hate tom brady with a passion

Brady has thrown 2x more INTs on the road than at home, Elway's QB rating on the road is 74 with an AY/A over 1 yard worse(5.94) than at home.