Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any lamer, the posts per page rears its ugly head.

Move this thread to fantasy sports subforum plz

i'm glad everyone was able to read what boston sports radio has taught the fans. if i was to show this to a bunch of people on the train, they'd think goodie crushed this thread.

Here's the Patriots SB years: 2001, 2003, 2004

Here's what their defense was ranked in those years:

2001: 6th
2003: 1st
2004: 2nd

Here's what the Colts defense was ranked in those years:

2001: 31
2003: 20
2004: 19

You say Brady didn't have weapons, but he clearly did, he had a top defense in those years that was much much better than the ones Peyton had. And more importantly, it's an aspect of the game that neither player has any control over, and obv deserves no credit for. And that's part of the problem with using ringzzzz or winning more games as a means to justify Brady>>Manning, Brady had a significant advantage wrt a part of the game that he isn't a factor in.


It'd be like arguing that Mike Mussina was better than Lincecum last year because he had more wins (20 to 15), when Lincecum was clearly better, but has no control over run support.

2007 didn't prove that Brady>>Manning. It just proved Brady is capable of putting up a similar year to what Manning did in 04. Although it's also worth noting that Brady and co. ran up the score numerous times in 07 which gave Brady an advantage, as the Colts generally do the opposite, and Manning often sits the last game of the season.

colts ran the score up plenty. not as blatant as the pats but still.

Meh, maybe in a different way, but if so, not as blatant like you said. IIRC they ran the ball way more when they got up.

Manning only played 15 games in his 49 TD year, he sat the last game of the season. In week 11 he throws 6 TDs in 3 quarters, then doesn't play the 4th.

Also, just looking back at the game logs from their respective seasons, the Colts were in alot more close games.

Their defense was ranked 19th in PPG and 29th in total yards. The Patriots D was ranked 4th in both categories.

The Colts PD was +11. The Patriots was +20(lol). Yet Brady still threw the ball 81 more times.

Actually, your completely wrong here. Most fans around here are incredibly pessimistic, always gloom and doom. I don't listen to EEI anymore because Dennis and Callahan is the worst radio show I've ever heard but if I did this week, I'm sure there are plenty of yahoos talking about how bad a shape the Pats are in right now and probably won't make the playoffs.

I'm infinately more optimistic than the average Boston sports fan.

i was talking more about ordway and company, who are the main football guys on the radio

These are all very valid points and strictly by stats, Manning is better overall. And I can't argue any of this. As someone else in the thread pointed out it always comes down to intangables vs. stats and even though most disagree, if I was starting an NFL franchise and could have any current QB to start it with, it would be Brady. Of course I'm biased but that's the way I feel. I guess since I'm pretty much ignoring the stats difference, there's really not much else to say.

I don't think that Ordway and company are a microcosm of the Boston Fan in general. They are also pretty big yahoos.

As I've said many times, I'm a homer, clearly. I don't apologize or make excuses for that. I irrantionally defend my teams at times, clearly. However, I do believe that I would rather have Brady on my team than Manning and I stand by that belief, as biased as that belief is.

seems like a good move with how brady and manning have started the year

yeah but if he takes brady for his franchise then he will get to have a personal relationship with brady. maybe he'll even get invited over for dinner.

What the hell would I want that for? I'm am only interested in his football ability. I'd like him to be the QB for my football team because I believe that would cause my football team to win championships, as evidenced by the Pats actually winning championships.

Nice try, though. Actually, no, it really wasn't.

Would you take Big Ben over Peyton. 2 Titles vs 1?

Are you going to say Big Ben is the exception, Brady is the rule.........you would really take Brady in his current condition over Peyton? LOLOL.

I guess Manning would need to throw 100 TDs in a season or win 5 sbs for Pats fans to admit Manning is better than Brady......I can't imagine how they can argue that under each's current situation.

Interesting points. I would not take Big Ben over Peyton, for obvious reasons. And the titles are not the only reason that I would take Brady. He clearly performed incredibly well in those title seasons without the weapons he currently has.

Of course Brady hasn't looked even half as good as Peyton has this year and if I had to win a football game tomorrow, clearly I would take Peyton. However, I think Brady will come around and be the Tom of old.

Listen, I'm not going to think differently and I really don't think this is a worthwhile argument. It's clearly close and I would not begrudge anyone for thinking that Peyton is better, so I expect the same in return.

bump, bump, bump.

Why, because his team got dominated in every facet of the game on the road against the 10 - 0 New Orleans Saints? Cool.

cause some of the stuff in this thread is hilarious and ridiculous. for this season how anyone can take Brady over Manning/Brees after a knee injury is lol.

Yeah, some silly stuff in this thread, and Manning and Brees are enjoying superior seasons. Some of the silly stuff in the thread is of the "Brady is finished" variety of lol though, and you'd be forced to concede that he is enjoying quite a return to form over the course of the entire season thus far.

Also, for reference:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

confusing QB play and the overall strength of a team is something best avoided imo.

Boy, it was fun going back and reading some of my posts in this thread. I still believe although another year of performances like last night and my argument is going to seem ridiculous. Cue "your argument already is riduculous".

im sure that has been said in this thread a ton of times on both sides of this debate

GOAT

nice bump