I guess WR's do make a difference. Harrison went out in game 4 vs denver this year.

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manning with harrison
yrds cmp% td int rating
game 1 288.0 60.0 3.0 0.0 125.4
game 2 312.0 66.7 1.0 1.0 86.6
game 3 273.0 69.0 1.0 0.0 110.3
game 4 193.0 74.1 3.0 0.0 130.6
average 266.5 67.5 2.0 0.3 113.2

manning without harrison
yrds cmp% td int rating
game 5 253.0 78.4 2.0 1.0 101.9
game 6 259.0 62.2 1.0 1.0 80.8
game 7 255.0 46.7 2.0 0.0 98.6
game 8 225.0 59.3 1.0 1.0 83.1
game 9 328.0 60.7 2.0 6.0 49.4
game 10 163.0 50.0 0.0 1.0 52.0
average 247.2 59.6 1.3 1.7 77.6

brady 2006 with a much worse receiving corps than 2007 manning
yrds cmp% td int rating
average 220.6 61.8 1.5 0.8 87.9

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I know you can't directly compare these stats for sample size reasons, offensive line reasons, etc, but the dropoff is pretty remarkable.

oh and before you comment, consider this short video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1piy8Zxddw&amp;feature=related


Edit: The Bonds thread worked well. Let's try it again!

SO STOP DOING IT AND STOP COMING TO FAULTY CONCLUSIONS THAT HAVE NO STATISTICAL WEIGHT.

Seriously. 2p2 needs to follow FO and make an irrational Brady v Manning thread, and all idiotic discussions should go in there and ONLY there.

Favre &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&g t; Manning, Brady, Romo, God. No stats to back it up; it's just a fact.

i looked for that thread on here before posting this...

Kellen Clemens is the new Vince Young.


imo

1. There are already threads about this.

2. If you think that its just Harrison missing you are crazy. The Colts have also played without their #3WR Gonzalez and didn't have Dallas Clark for the the SD game (the game that is skewing this statical sample horribly).

3. Manning is playing behind a patchwork O-line. I don't pay very close attention to the Pats line, but I doubt very seriously that they have had anything like this rash of injuries.
In the SD game the Colts had a guy at LT that was on the practice squad the week before. I seriously doubt that has ever happened before in the NFL. Guys don't come off the practice squad and protect a QBs blindside, it usually another line man moving over but the Colts were down 3 O-linemen and out of options.

4. There is a huge difference between having shoddy WRs that you've been practicing with since camp and having shoddy WRs that just started getting reps with the first team.

Remember that game where the Colts had like 17 active offensive players?

Yeah, it's not just Harrison that's missing.

The colts were pretty short again today. They dressed Gonzalez who they had no intention of playing. I've never heard of a team having trouble dressing a full contingent of healthy players before. It sucks but its just a freakish thing that you can't do anything about.

Seriously what is with the trolls lately, its like they are all coming out of the woodwork now that Brady is have the best season ever. Yeah, we know you are a Pats fan and Brady is the second coming, etc. Is this thread really necessary? Aren't there like a million other places to discuss this?

where does VY fit into this hierarchy

I'd probably put him right after LT, Steven Jackson, AD, LJ, and Westbrook.

I mentioned God didn't I?

these manning/brady discussions are stupid as neither of them are on tony romos level geez

Except the fact that VY is Jesus Christ. God = mini-ditka and to be honest, I think its mini-ditka &gt; VY &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Favre.

If they cloned mini-Ditka 22 times and made 2 teams. Who would win?

the patriots still

You can't be God if you're stuck on a 2-8 ballclub.

i am not sure the point of the OP are you trying to say that some people think Manning &gt; Brady? LOLZ

Manning and Brady are two of the greatest QBs ever to step on a football field, and we, as football fans, should feel blessed to have an opportunity to watch them week in and week out.

There, thread over.

Brady is proving this year how he is leagues ahead of Manning.

He's been playing with used car salesmen at receiver for years and still managed to win 3 superbowls with these mediocre weapons.

Manning had the best receiving group in the league for years and only managed 1 superbowl.

Now when Brady finally has weapons comparable to Manning's (with an inferior running back), he is blowing him out of the water in terms of stats and wins.

Manning's team suffers some injuries and all of a sudden we see how average he is with only decent receivers.

The patriots superbowl teams were littered with injuries on offense and defense and they never used excuses like this 2007 colts team.

The debate is officially over.

I'm pretty sure Eli Manning &gt; Peyton &gt; Brady &gt; Vinnie Testaverde &gt; Rex Grossman &gt; the rest of the NFL

Good. That means you will never post on the subject ever again, right? Please tell me I'm right.

Hmmmm.....

Brady's D &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Manning's D most of the time they've competed for a title. Brady never had to be as good as Manning had to be. Manning's D might be better than Brady's D this year but Brady's Pass O &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&g t;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Manning's this year.

God I hate PLO8killa so much. There is no excuse for him to still be posting.