If Vinatieri chokes (within realm of possibility for any kicker w/pressure) he could lose all of the first trio (all 3 point margins).

Next trio includes 28-3 late 3rd deficit vs Quinn
Not running Lynch
3-3 game in 4th against Rams

Last one Chiefs had massive injuries so luck on his side there as well.

It’s not preposterous to think he could lose all of those games with some reasonably bad luck.

I agree he also could have won at least the Giants’ SBs fairly easily. Maybe Eagles one, too.

The 1st Eagles SB wasn't really that close, their last TD was a backdoor cover when they were down 10. I think Vinatieri's FG in that game was like 25 yards.

Seahawks got down the field on a crazy Kearse catch before the Lynch play

Then there are years like 2006 AFCCG where there is a 3rd and 5 and if they get it they go on to face Grossman and co in the SB. Or 2015 when Gost misses the XP early and they gotta go for 2 late and miss, lose 20-18. Manning was pretty cooked at that point in the game, NE would've been looking good in OT. 2nd Eagles he threw for 500-3 and still lost, which is incredible. Gost also bricked a chip shot in this game.

He played forever, so obviously got the run good, the run bad, the run neutral. Dudes had like 3 careers in 1 human being

2001-2006ish Troy Aikman, 2007-2013 Dan Marino, 2014-2020 Joe Montana...I spitballed that but you get the idea

Hey, I think it's pretty high praise to acknowledge he's the 2nd best QB of all time.

“If Vinatieri chokes” - worst case those games are still tied. The CAR FG to win wasn’t very long. He’s always making that kick.

wait who is #1?

You a Johnny U guy? Fair enough

No LT is worth 22 points. That game was a drubbing, injuries didn’t factor nearly as much as people want to pretend.

Yeah, that 1 doesn't work.

Gronk being out in '12, '13, '16, barely could run in '11 for the final games seems like it overshadows Eric Fisher

tyree catch and gronk injury. they cruise with a healthy gronk.


I think hes ran about at expectation. hes proly the goat. hes failed a few times but has made up for it in the long run. most players dont get a chance to rerun that stuff.

gawd I hate him.

People forget he missed two FGs in that game.

Was more thinking Mahomes’ bad toe,

Fisher VART against TB’s pro bowl linemen would have made a big difference imo

Almost thought you were going to say that Brady should be disqualified from this topic and from being called great because how can anyone be great if they support Trump and refuse to wear a mask in a stadium with 25k people.

Come on.

Chiefs scored 38 two weeks before against a good Bills D with the same personnel and the same injuries, minus the LT. They lost because they were outplayed from top to bottom, not because of injuries. TB would have won by more than 22 but they spent the entire 4th quarter just running clock, they didn't bother to try and score.

I sure did!

Buccs didn't have Winfield, AB (an extra WR would've been big vs GB's secondary and having a shutdown CB on Evans) and Cappa vs GB (GB didn't have Bahktieri) and Whitehead got hurt during the game so they were down 2 safeties on the road vs Rodgers.

Look at Brady running bad


Also, while I fully endorse paying studs like Kelce, Hill, Jones. When so much of your $ is tied up in like 6 players, OL depth is probably gonna be dusty.

Yeah - it's like the Colts. Dome Stat fans would say, "Peyton just doesn't have a defense!" and never realize it was because they had put all their resources into surrounding Manning with great offensive talent in order to put up more impressive Dome Stats.

It was really a win-win for Dome Stat fans: More Dome Stats due to all the elite talent surrounding Peyton, and an easy target to blame when forehead would inevitably fail. We may be seeing the same for Mahomes.

Yeah, I mean I do think that approach is basically correct in terms of optimal team building given the current rules and social engineering of the game towards more offense. But obviously it can be fragile if a cog or two goes down.

Although paying Watkins and drafting CEH 1st rd were dumb.

Sammy Watkins had a 1 year, $9 million dollar contract. Thought to be a discount at the time.

Clyde Edwards-Helaire was the last player (32) drafted in the 1st rd. Not the worst move.

The Pat's really showed the NFL how to do it. Get the HoF QB, get him 1 elite weapon, then put the rest of the money on OL and defense. If your HoF QB can have a good OL he you have a chance for 15 years. Get him a defense that can make some stops and 1 high priced playmaker with some good rb and receivers. RB doesnt need to be expensive anymore.

The hard part after finding your qb is having both a good GM and a good HC that wont screw it all up.

FYP.

Yeah that was dumb. lol BeliWOAT

Ehh, unless you got the next Kamara I think that is too much draft capital for a RB. How much better is he really gonna make their offense? Damien Williams didn't even opt out yet at the time of the move.

I know Watkins restructured, was talking about his original deal. Not the worst move or anything as it helped them win in '19 and come damn close in '18 but that is a lot of $ for your 3rd best pass catcher, wouldn't get into the habit of doing. Especially for a guy so injury prone.

Hindsight is 20-20 but drafting an OL was the move. RBs are what, 3 years in the league? They don't even outlast their rookie deals.

Biennial bump

Time to add a new name/contender to the thread title. Only 27 years old with 2 SB's and 2 MVP's.

hmm