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Brady played a much tougher schedule than Cassell did. Cassel got to the play the NFC and AFC West while Brady got the NFC East and not sure what AFC division. Cassel I think went 7-1 against the easy divisions and 4-4 against the rest of their schedule. It's misleading to think that Brady isn't >>> Cassel--btw I don't really like Brady that much.

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01-25-2011 , 02:55 PM

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yes, we've established that Brady is better than Cassel, good for him.
What doesn't help his cause is that Cassel looked very good in that system and mediocre or worse in other situations.

Matt Casell 2008 ANY/A: 6.0
Matt Cassell 2010: ANY/A: 6.6

his simple y/a was pretty close this year too. people are practicing selective memory

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01-25-2011 , 02:57 PM

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Matt Casell 2008 ANY/A: 6.0
Matt Cassell 2010: ANY/A: 6.6

meh his ny/a is the same. this is basically sorting by td:int ratio.

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01-25-2011 , 02:58 PM

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meh his ny/a is the same. this is basically sorting by td:int ratio.

well I don't know what people are sorting by when they say 2008 Cassell ruled, 2010 Cassell drooled

his 2009 wasn't good, sure, but I would say for Cassell its easily 2010 > 2008 > 2009

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01-25-2011 , 03:00 PM

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the most you can discount the Pats 2007/2010 offense is by a factor of "a small handful of super elite offenses like 2004 Colts, 99 Rams, etc may have been as good if they played 60 minutes"

I thought "tho" was the obvious sarcasm term. I can't keep up with this ****.

In any case, I liked your post before you edited in the 99 Rams, because I was going to say "What do those elite offenses (04 IND, 07/10 NE) have in common?"

Inclusion of the Rams doesn't really change anything though, football is fluky.

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01-25-2011 , 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod

the most you can discount the Pats 2007/2010 offense is by a factor of "a small handful of super elite offenses like 2004 Colts, 99 Rams, etc may have been as good if they played 60 minutes"

well that's the difference b/t calling someone one of the best vs definitively the best ever so it's worth noting

edit: beside the point though

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01-25-2011 , 03:01 PM

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hrmm I think I meant 2000 Rams. basically I meant "3 or 4 other offenses, ever"

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01-25-2011 , 03:01 PM

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It's misleading to think that Brady isn't >>> Cassel--btw I don't really like Brady that much.

Of course he is. I don't think anyone's saying Cassel = Brady.

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01-25-2011 , 03:04 PM

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well that's the difference b/t calling someone one of the best vs definitively the best ever so it's worth noting

I would have to look, but my guess is if you sort by 1st half Points or 1st Half Offensive DVOA or something, the 2007 and 2010 Pats still come out historically elite. which is really the point, whether they are 1st or 3rd best all time doesnt really matter. what matters is thats a gigantic difference between where they were in 2008, which clark was trying to marginalize

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01-25-2011 , 03:06 PM

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well I don't know what people are sorting by when they say 2008 Cassell ruled, 2010 Cassell drooled

his 2009 wasn't good, sure, but I would say for Cassell its easily 2010 > 2008 > 2009

feel like i distinctly recall you talking up his play in the 2nd half of the season

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01-25-2011 , 03:07 PM

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feel like i distinctly recall you talking up his play in the 2nd half of the season

I have said he played much better in the 2nd half of that season, yes. but he also played very good this year

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01-25-2011 , 03:12 PM

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seems like cassel's performances this season were heavlly skewed (as in moreso than usual) against some crap pass defenses

chiefs w/15th ranked passing game by dvoa. given this ranking and their run game (9th) hard to believe that cassell was good

edit: also i think he had a bunch of garbage stats in the denver game

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01-25-2011 , 03:13 PM

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Am I missing something when I look at Cassell's stat line this year? 417 attempts in 14 games and 27 TDs with only 5 INTs?

I realize he had Jones and JC running for 9 YPC or whatever and that Bowe had his career year, but this stinks of outlier to me.

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01-25-2011 , 03:16 PM

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you have to say something similar about 2008, Pats played a lol schedule back then

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01-25-2011 , 03:17 PM

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Clark is good at this

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01-25-2011 , 03:22 PM

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yeah it's pretty damn likely he ran hot as **** on tds and ints this year.

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01-25-2011 , 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod

you have to say something similar about 2008, Pats played a lol schedule back then

i don't think he was that good in '08 either

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01-25-2011 , 03:27 PM

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Clark is good at this

sigh I've been epi'd

back to my hole

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01-25-2011 , 03:37 PM

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5 years of serious world-class underachieving failure as big favorites in the prime of his career more relevant than game managing with an elite defense when young.

Cassell's strong performance the year Brady went down (and subsequent poor performance when not in the NE system) doesn't help Brady's case either.

Actually, ITT your ignoring all regular season games and every single one of the 14 postseason wins and 3 superbowls and only focusing on the 5 playoffs losses.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. PERFECT.

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01-25-2011 , 03:41 PM

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Goodie, are you aware that teams can't get more than one loss in a single playoffs, but can get multiple wins?

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01-25-2011 , 03:42 PM

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01-25-2011 , 03:44 PM

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Regular season games are irrelevant in this discussion. At least, they always have been when Brady supporters discuss Manning.

I'm focusing entirely on his last 5 years as a pro, the prime years of his career, when he was put in a similar role to Manning and we have an apples-to-apples comparison. Frankly, he's underperformed by about as much as seems conceivable and arguably should've had 3 rings in that timeframe.

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01-25-2011 , 03:46 PM

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Goodie, are you aware that teams can't get more than one loss in a single playoffs, but can get multiple wins?

Um, yeah. What does that have to do with anything?

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01-25-2011 , 03:49 PM

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Regular season games are irrelevant in this discussion. At least, they always have been when Brady supporters discuss Manning.

I'm focusing entirely on his last 5 years as a pro, the prime years of his career, when he was put in a similar role to Manning and we have an apples-to-apples comparison. Frankly, he's underperformed by about as much as seems conceivable and arguably should've had 3 rings in that timeframe.

and has been noted in this thread we have now twice seen manning outperform him against the same defense