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03-12-2018 , 03:03 PM
Except Suh is a post jun 1 cut, so they don't get any cap relief until after the draft/FA, so, they'll get 17M this year to spend on almost nobody. Basically they save 4 million in cap next year (compared to cutting him next year) and get to sign one guy who gets cut in training camp that other teams can't afford who probably isn't as good as Suh is all for not having him play for them this year.

Miami gets under the cap enough with Timmons/Thomas cuts. They don't have enough to sign anyone as good as Suh, and now they have a bunch of defensive ends and they all can't play at the same time.

tl;dr lol Miami.

The Eagles still have to make moves. This NFL offseason is delivering this year.

Last edited by wheatrich; 03-12-2018 at 03:10 PM.
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03-12-2018 , 03:30 PM
Keeping Suh would cost them $17 million in new money (base for 2018), he's worth no where near that. Cutting him right decision even if it doesn't help them much this year - that just goes to show how bad and desperate that contract was.

If you're going to structure a contract with such a big balloon ($6.1 million cap hit first year to $26 million for 2018) you better be one player away from being a SB contender, not a team just desperate to make playoffs. I get why GM coach wanted to make the signing, but ownership should have had a bit more foresight.

This does show how dumb the other Miami moves have been (other than Landry). Dolphins should be bottoming out and hoping to rebuild in 2020. Given their lack of talent, now way they can be competitive with that much dead money.
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03-12-2018 , 03:47 PM
Keep Suh, cut Tannehill, draft a QB

Yes Suh is expensive but a huge chunk of the dollars are sunk costs and he’s really ducking good
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03-12-2018 , 04:03 PM
Anyone know what the NFL salary floor? I only find the cap. And it seems that teams don't actually have to spend it, but players get a set share of revenue, right?
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03-12-2018 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
Keep Suh, cut Tannehill, draft a QB

Yes Suh is expensive but a huge chunk of the dollars are sunk costs and he’s really ducking good
Suh has led one of the worst ds in the league the last two years. He was good. He seems to be in the wrong system.
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03-12-2018 , 04:16 PM
I don’t have the stats to hand but I thought they were like 16, 19th and 20th in total D?

No idea what they are in scoring which is obv the important one

Either way I wouldn’t be cutting my best defensive player as a means to improve the D. Particularly when there isn’t much of a saving.

Maybe he’s a total ******* or something, IDK, but he’s been healthy too so it seems like a bad love to me
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03-12-2018 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
Keep Suh, cut Tannehill, draft a QB

Yes Suh is expensive but a huge chunk of the dollars are sunk costs and he’s really ducking good
I'd way rather have that Tannehill contract than a freshly signed Keenum. Think he'd have some Tyrod-type trade value if they did want to move on.
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03-12-2018 , 04:33 PM
Bills trade Cordy Glenn to the Bengals..

#12 pick to Bills
Glenn and either 21 or 22 to Bengals

Last edited by BluffMyNuts; 03-12-2018 at 04:39 PM.
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03-12-2018 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
I don’t have the stats to hand but I thought they were like 16, 19th and 20th in total D?

No idea what they are in scoring which is obv the important one

Either way I wouldn’t be cutting my best defensive player as a means to improve the D. Particularly when there isn’t much of a saving.

Maybe he’s a total ******* or something, IDK, but he’s been healthy too so it seems like a bad love to me
I guess it's their points against which was really bad last year--29th despite 16th in yards. I guess they suck in the RZ. Last year they were reversed--29th in yards and 18th in points. 19th and 25th the year before. I'm not sure how he rated in PFF or anything in Detroit vs Miami. Whatever, Miami does dumb stuff in signing/trading and letting guys go. Their the worst type of org they have dumb leadership and never ending lack of success.
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03-12-2018 , 04:39 PM
Bengals are trading for Cordy Glenn it seems.

Makes sense for them, they whiffed pretty badly at drafting tackles (Ogbuehi is horrible). Dunno why Buffalo was so eager to move on though. Sounds like Bills get to move up in the first as part of the deal, so I assume QB is incoming one way or another.

EDIT: Reports are, Bills will send Glenn, #21, 5th, and 6th round picks to Bengals for #12, 5th, and 6th.
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03-12-2018 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BluffMyNuts
Bills trade Cordy Glenn to the Bengals..

#12 pick to Bills
Glenn and either 21 or 22 to Bengals
Wow that seems like a huge move for the Bills. Would expect this to be part of the effort to get up in the draft for a rookie QB.

Important to get this done now because Bills have to feel confident in their ability to get a rookie QB if they're gonna pass on signing a starting QB in FA. Seems pretty terrible for the Bengals assuming Glenn's deal already paid him close to his market value.
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03-12-2018 , 04:42 PM
Bills move up to 12
Bengals move down to 21 and get Glenn

Bills and Bengals also swap a 5th and a 6th.


wowowowowowow!

What a fantastic deal for the Bills. Glenn played 5 games last year. There was thought they may just cut him.

Bill obviously moving up to be within striking distance of Rosen/Darnold/Mayfield.

Man, I love Beane!

Last edited by Dominic; 03-12-2018 at 04:51 PM.
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03-12-2018 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by nath
Bengals are trading for Cordy Glenn it seems.

Makes sense for them, they whiffed pretty badly at drafting tackles (Ogbuehi is horrible). Dunno why Buffalo was so eager to move on though. Sounds like Bills get to move up in the first as part of the deal, so I assume QB is incoming one way or another.

EDIT: Reports are, Bills will send Glenn, #21, 5th, and 6th round picks to Bengals for #12, 5th, and 6th.


Eagles model of getting close enough to allow them to trade up for a top QB
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03-12-2018 , 04:44 PM
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Wow that seems like a huge move for the Bills. Would expect this to be part of the effort to get up in the draft for a rookie QB.
Yeah pretty incredible trade for the Bills, Dawkins is the LT of the future, now the Bills have ammo to get whatever QB they want, and still have picks left.
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03-12-2018 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Bills move up to 12
Bengals move down to 21 and get Glenn

Bills and Bengals also swap a 5th and a 6th.


wowowowowowow!

What a fantastic deal for the Bills. Glenn played 5 games lat year. There was thought they may just cut him.

Bill obviously moving up to be within striking distance of Rosen/Darnold/Mayfield.

Man, I love Beane!
Ya this is the best possible start to FA for the Bills. Just a baffling decision by the Bengals. Glenn is the 6th highest paid OL in the league.
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03-12-2018 , 05:05 PM
Not really baffling when you consider how bad their tackles are. Glenn is still pretty good when he's on the field.
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03-12-2018 , 05:10 PM
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Ya this is the best possible start to FA for the Bills. Just a baffling decision by the Bengals. Glenn is the 6th highest paid OL in the league.
Bengals aren't taking on his entire salary. Bills are taking a $10 million hit to trade him and Bengals get him at about $10 million a year (and can cut him at any point after this year for no hit). Assuming he returns to form, that's not a bad price.
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03-12-2018 , 05:11 PM
Glenn has 3/$30m left on his contract with no guarantees beyond this year. Seems like a solid contract worth trading for in a free agent market with only one passable LT. Glenn is only 28.

Also a perfectly fine trade for the Bills obviously.
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03-12-2018 , 05:16 PM
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Bengals aren't taking on his entire salary. Bills are taking a $10 million hit to trade him and Bengals get him at about $10 million a year (and can cut him at any point after this year for no hit). Assuming he returns to form, that's not a bad price.
That makes it better. Still a grand slam for the Bills given their QB / draft pick situation. This might save the Bills from signing a FA QB to a Glennon-type - insurance QB contract. They've got Dawkins ready to go at LT. Bills were in a tricky spot w/ FA being before the draft, not having a top 10 pick, and needing a QB. This can make them feel way better about passing on the FA QBs and not being totally price gouged come draft day.
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03-12-2018 , 05:18 PM
Remember when the bengals decided to replace their starting tackles via the draft rather than fill holes on the roster that was a playoff team? Then drafted total busts and now they kinda suck?

Yeah bills wanted to move on because Glenn didn't finish recent seasons, and well the bengals tackles were amazingly bad.

It also makes the package to move up to draft Josh Allen a bit less and oh god are we gonna laugh at the bills when that happens.

Bills clearing house--not many people left from a few years ago.

Last edited by wheatrich; 03-12-2018 at 05:25 PM.
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03-12-2018 , 05:22 PM
I got Bills going for Mayfield or possibly a surprise pick in Rudolph at 12 if they don't move up higher and Mayfield doesn't fall.

I'd say Bills are like 50/50 to end up picking in the top 5 now. IND at 3 and CLE at 4 just became a little more valuable in a trade down. Bills can move up or the threat of Bills moving up could get 1 of NYJ or DEN to trade up 1/2 spots w/ IND/CLE.
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03-12-2018 , 05:26 PM
Moving up 9 spots in the draft in a rd while going down 30 at the back end isn't a grand slam btw.

The Bills were already rumored to be in the moving up direction and had two firsts--it hasn't changed a thing for the value of those picks, it just changed what picks they get (ie that throw in pick or swap you usually see they don't have to now, but that's it).
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03-12-2018 , 05:27 PM
Bills aren't taking Allen, Mayfield is the target imo. Below are the picks they have as of now, what would it take to move into the top 6 without touching future picks?

12
22
53
56
65
96
166
187

According to the Draft Value Chart from Walterfootball, don't know if there is a better one, 12, 22 or 12, 53, 56 could get the 5 pick.

Last edited by BluffMyNuts; 03-12-2018 at 05:33 PM.
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03-12-2018 , 05:29 PM
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Moving up 9 spots in the draft in a rd while going down 30 at the back end isn't a grand slam btw.
Youre talking from round 5 to round 6 here? I stand by my grand slam.
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03-12-2018 , 05:31 PM
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Youre talking from round 5 to round 6 here? I stand by my grand slam.
Oh lol I was trying to decipher what he meant and now I'm laughing my ass off.
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