If they tag him he will sign it immediately locking in 34mm for next season.

He can then play really hardball or potentailly refuse to talk extension with other teams killing his trade value and screwing the Skins. He gets 34mm and enters FA next season.

I don't think he gets tagged for that reason.

Edwin Jackson of the Colts was killed by reportedly a drunk driver.

RIP

What? Urlacher was one of the most ridiculous raw athletic talents ever. Plus he was good at football.

Ray Lewis had to make do with far less size and talent but benefited from having several HOF guys around him.

One time

the argument ends up being circular to some degree whichever way one states it because it eventually relies upon the team picking the best possible players.

I do think in a vacuum, that the 'draft down and let people overpay for a QB and let's profit from the too many picks they've given us' is correct, but I also believe that there is significant equity and some times more safety in staying at the top and picking generational players. if they exist and if you can recognise them

so in a scenario where Browns sign Cousins and then stay at 1 and 4 and pick say Chubb and Fitzpatrick and they end up being the next Demarcus Ware and the next Darrelle Revis then there's a very good chance that this would be better than what they can pick up later on. But if they end up being Gaines Adams (before he died, not b/c he died) and Dee Milliner then of course they'd have been better off getting extra picks and hoping a few of their throws at the dartboard hit. the Rams managed to **** up the #2 pick twice in the past 5/6 years so I'm sure they wish they'd traded down

certainly, the Browns history of using the picks they've drafted down to get has been awful but yes also certainly, if you/we/they trade down the potential opportunity to then draft the best available with each of their picks makes that hard to beat as some of your retro fitting picks showed.

and maybe there isn't a Demarcus Ware or D Revis in this draft but there's a load of late 1st round type talents so w/e or maybe the teams stay there and then **** up those picks anyway

but I stand by my point that trade down LDO because it's the only thing to do isn't always right. and sometimes it's just fine to trade up too if you end up getting it right with the pick, like with Julio or with Wentz. Lol at the Bills though, trading up for Watkins in that draft with so much WR talent all around.


the Lions could have been an interesting eg of a team that stayed at the top of the draft and three times picked players who did turn into generational type players. Stafford less so, but he is a franchise QB so the decision to stay was totally justified and then they also picked Calvin and Suh who are both HoF level talents. Shame that they couldn't keep them all together for longer but the cap didn't allow it and Millen ****ed up so many other parts of their roster

I mean or you can use the Lions as the opposite example when they drafted Joey Harrington (3), Charles Rogers (2) & WR Roy Williams (7) in back to back to back years.

But yes, if the Browns draft 2 Hall of Fame players, they will have had a good draft. The whole point though is that drafting isn't an exact science so having more darts to throw at the dartboard is an awesome thing, especially when teams are willing to pay way more for QB darts compared to non-QB darts.

& beyond all that, I was mostly proposing that the Browns basically do what the 49ers did last year which would still put them in position to draft whoever they would the pick before. Lots of QBs are probably getting drafted early this year, & that's a good thing to take advantage of.

Your insistence on continually commenting on my joke Falcons post when that's obviously a trade that 100% worked out for the team trading up is pretty silly. I reconstruct those histories because they're fun what-ifs, not because they're realistic, & I've made that clear 3 times.

& of course always trading down isn't the right thing, but in many circumstances it is, including this one, which was MY original point.

Anyway, I'm not going to worry about the off-season anymore until the off-season.

See you in 4 hours.

But, yes, the answer (except for like 5 QBs ever) in the draft game is always to trade down and collect more darts.

Lettuce off season :/

Wonder what Philly do with Foles. Assume they wait til they see Wentz in camp before they think about trading him but maybe they get a deal they can’t refuse

I thought Foles was on a one-year deal

Thought he was 2? Maybe I’m wrong - will check

Yup, under contract in 18

have the Lolions fired Matt Patricia yet?

Wonder which qb the Pats will be drafting

Jeff Fisher deserves coach of the year for the impact he had on Case, Carson and Jared this year

Gronk contemplating his future

There is a remarkable amount of posting in the football threads that is essentially reactionary loling

I don't think so?

I actually think that wasn't the issue in Washington, so much as organizational dysfunction / Bruce Allen feeling threatened by him.

If no one offers a 1st for Foles, I see what kind of return I can get for Wentz.

Wow

Obviously it would have to be massive to move him, but the Eagles definitely have to consider it.

If Cleveland offers 1, 4, and 2019 1st, 2nd, and 3rd I’m shipping Wentz

What do you think is a fair return for Foles?

And would it be foolish for the Eagles to keep both Wentz and Foles next year? Gotta sell while the price is high, right?

If Cleveland offers 4, I’m shipping Foles for sure. Very much doubt they get that offer.

Fair return is hard to say, but they need to try to move him in the next week. I think they might get the Jets, Dolphins, or Cardinals to bite.

2nd rounder for Foles

Bills should offer one of their 2nds.

I reckon if the Browns offered 33 they’d probably take it.

I still can’t shake my distrust of Foles tho, which seems ridiculous given he just won SB MVP and played extremely well two weeks in a row when it absolutely counted against two top class defensive coaches.

So if I was the Browns I’d probably either sign Kirk or draft the best QB at 1 if I couldn’t get Kirk