You forget they traded multiple picks to move up from 9 to 8 for Gilbert.

What's ****ed up is that these are probably both true. NFL management is really good at what they do though and we couldn't possibly understand.

So how many of the Browns' first round picks since 2011 are still in the team?

None of the first-round picks from 2011-14 are. Only the two from '15 and Corey Coleman this year.

Of course, 2011 was one of the most loaded drafts at the top in NFL history, and the Browns traded out of the Julio Jones pick to take a nose tackle.

Today I learned that apparently Brad Kaaya is the top prospect at QB for next year for a lot of teams. This is a frightening thing to learn having watched a handful of Brad Kaaya games. He is 6'4" though so what do I know? (Also, Watson is better).

They did keep all 14 this year, though lol

Who are these elite QB teams that the Vikings have to worry about? Godgers and....?

NFC sucks and is wide open, Vikings have structured their team so that they have a nice solid 3ish year window to have a real chance, they havent had better SB equity since maybe 2009 if even then. Obviously the move stinks of desperation and they paid too much, but its not that hard to see why they did it. They basically said we need the best QB we can possibly get, and sadly, that was Bradford. People who say they could have waited and gotten a guy like Sanchez for much cheaper are missing the point, that would be a completely useless move. This is like a late 90s Yankees move, obviously in a vacuum its a bad deal but you can see how the circumstances change that. This is very far from a vacuum.

Not sure how I feel about Mark Sanchez as a 2nd-option QB for the Cowboys. The football side of my brain says they have zero QBs with any real-game experience available for Week 1. They're fortunate just to have found a mid-round rookie who showed enough promise to try and get by with but that's not enough. Clearly some veteran from somewhere is needed and most in their price range suck.

That same side of my brain says Mark Sanchez is awful

Palmer and Cam. Cards and Panthers both play the Vikings this year in the regular season. Vikings might also face Seattle if they make the playoffs and while Rustle is a freak and a very weird midget he's also pretty good at football.

They also play against Andrew Luck.

lads,

Palmer and Rustle don't count as elite QBs

I keep hearing people say that, but if you line up Russel since his rookie year and Godgers in that same time frame, I don't really see a huge gap outside of yards through the air in a few seasons, which Russel more than makes up for on the ground if you want to talk net/net. Their accuracy, QB ratings, scores, it's all perfectly comparable, is it not? I think almost every owner in the league would fall all over himself to get Russel right now

I don't think anybody is calling Palmer elite over his whole career, but he's the leader of what may be the most elite offense in the nfl this year, so calling him elite as it pertains to this season is perfectly fine.

Palmer plays for the Bills?

palmer is permanently shook and will end up like delhomme

This act is played out and even prisco has given up on it by now.

WIMson legitimately is a top 3 asset in football right now and will likely be league mvp this year.

Your claims are just silly

I'd take Russell as easily elite. People disagreeing are probably Packers fans (like me, but can admit it), Panthers or Patriots fans, as well.

Sure he's elite, but his ambiguous ethnicity really grinds my gears.

lolol

Russell is absolutely elite

No question Rustle is elite. Easily top 10 in the league.

Titans only claiming one person is ridic since they had #1 waivers. Browns took 5. Cowboys didn't bother submitting a claim (well the main guys got taken by here anyway but still).

I don't get it in ten's case. Lots of guys could've improved the back end.

How many sacks does Marcus Rush have to get to be the last guy on a 53?

and paul dawson got cut (think he's the highest guy from the 15 draft to get cut as a 3rd rounder). Another one of those better than metric guys but even his college coach and the bengals are frustrated he can't handle football like a professional.

Who is this Vitale kid the Bills claimed?

Rookie 6th round pick from Northwestern by Bucs. FB/H-Back type guy.

Maybe they aren't that sold on Baby Gronk.

His highlights look promising...seems to be a perfect fit for Roman's offense.

Bucks waive their 6r pick and draft kicker with 2nd round pick.

Awesome

Bears cut K Robbie Gould.

Not a surprise to me since he's struggled a bit lately but we didn't have a kicker to compete against him and it's incredibly dumb to bring in a kicker cold to soldier field and just roll with it for reg season games. He was the highest paid K in the league and not performing near that but we don't need cap room at all.

Gould was here for the super bowl, hell of a run anyway. (11 years but that gap between gould and butler was a bunch of K's that were just terrible including veterans didn't figure the place out and I bet a lot this FO doesn't know or understand this like a long time fan would) K's are normally considered interchangable, but that's not true for CHI/PIT.

It's not the act itself, it's the timing of it.