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03-06-2017 , 01:17 AM
gosh, the silly season reporting keeps on coming

Daniel Jeremiah on NFL.com reports that Alshon Jeffrey is 'looking to exceed' the $17m per that Antonio just got

I mean, we all have goals and dreams so good on him for aiming high but that would be a staggering amount for a team to pay for an erratic guy who's missed so much time
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03-06-2017 , 01:25 AM
FA != guy who resigns but yeah alshon ain't getting 17. Then again there's always 5 teams left over even after all the $ is blown with 50M of room anyway so what the hell.
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03-06-2017 , 01:38 AM
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They didn't do as many tests as they do now but Vernon's athletic comp is Vic Beasley.

Browns are gonna really have to like trubisky or they're seriously risking the blaine gabbert before JJ Watt type of lol NFL drafting.
I'd be very surprised if the top pick is anyone but Garrett or Watson. Garrett crushed the Combine, and I can't see the analytics department signing off on a 22-year-old one-year starter over a 21-year-old three-year starter who also has Watson's history of big game performances.
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03-06-2017 , 01:42 AM
If we average out Alshon's game production across his career into a complete season he is 77-1150-6.6.

Good numbers...maybe top 15 QB numbers, but not great enough production to justify the risks of injury prone and drug suspension.

I'm expecting 5 year 65m or something which in and of itself would be a massive risk imo, but somebody will pay it. But I'd be surprised if he exceeds the Julio/Dez/AJ 14m per year, let alone gets to Antonio money

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03-06-2017 , 01:56 AM
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I think time has passed and people have forgotten about the guys who came after TD and had similarly successful seasons: Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Clinton Portis.

I still think TD belongs with it being the Hall of Fame. Just like Warner. It's not just a measuring stick of statistics, it's a history of the game and Terrell Davis, even if he's right time right place like a Jeter, still was considered* one of the 2 or 3 best players in football for multiple seasons and the fulcrum of 2 Super Bowls (he saved Elway's legacy).

Tough to put TD in and not Priest Holmes tho.

*Even if we now know that's an erroneous notion.
No one cares but I gotta set the record straight: I knew there was one more guy and it was bugging me at the time.

Reuben Droughns - 1240 yards in '04

Obv what triggered the memory was:

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Reuben Foster's gonna be special
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03-06-2017 , 02:30 AM
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Reuben Foster's gonna be special
I'm not excited about drafting an ILB top 3.

There are obviously a # of good players, but if I have the #2 pick, & someone wants to give me something for it, I'm most likely taking the best offer & the extra picks.
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03-06-2017 , 02:41 AM
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this seems like a lock for the Jets

Bull. ****.
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03-06-2017 , 02:44 AM
this is so good

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03-06-2017 , 03:02 AM
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I'm not excited about drafting an ILB top 3.

There are obviously a # of good players, but if I have the #2 pick, & someone wants to give me something for it, I'm most likely taking the best offer & the extra picks.


I get that and it's right in many ways so I'm not arguing it, albeit Foster is gonna be velly velly good if he stays healthy

And any team that stuck at 2 and ended up with Patrick Willis or Luke Kuechly wouldn't have regretted it. Even if draftnicks/tpt gave them a silly grade in late April for picking them 3 places too high for positional value/opportunity cost reasons or whatever

And in trade down scenarios, trusting the teams to get it right with the extra picks isn't always easy

I mean, if the Browns had taken Kuechly at 2 in 2012 instead of doing the mega RG3 trade, they'd be in a better position right now

Continuing the tangent, what are the examples of teams trading out of the top 5 and actually really benefitting from it in the long run from the extra players they got? Assuming it's too early to grade the players from the 2016 draft trades

Do we have to go back to Ricky and Herschel?
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03-06-2017 , 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by nath
this seems like a lock for the Jets

Has Glennon done anything since beating the Steelers in Pittsburgh?
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03-06-2017 , 04:20 AM
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I get that and it's right in many ways so I'm not arguing it, albeit Foster is gonna be velly velly good if he stays healthy

And any team that stuck at 2 and ended up with Patrick Willis or Luke Kuechly wouldn't have regretted it. Even if draftnicks/tpt gave them a silly grade in late April for picking them 3 places too high for positional value/opportunity cost reasons or whatever

And in trade down scenarios, trusting the teams to get it right with the extra picks isn't always easy

I mean, if the Browns had taken Kuechly at 2 in 2012 instead of doing the mega RG3 trade, they'd be in a better position right now

Continuing the tangent, what are the examples of teams trading out of the top 5 and actually really benefitting from it in the long run from the extra players they got? Assuming it's too early to grade the players from the 2016 draft trades

Do we have to go back to Ricky and Herschel?
think so, browns hilariously failed with that strat multiple times. (the one success ended up being the sanchez move up, browns traded down a lot, and basically ended up with alex mack and flotsam, winning the trade but the jets were at least in playoff games) There was that dion jordan lol dolphins move up but raiders didn't get that much out of it. Bears traded 4 for 14+22 and the only player worth a damn out of that for either team (lol jets bonus) was grossman. and by worth a damn I mean, yikes. 49ers had one in 2000, traded down a bunch, didn't get much more than if they stayed put out of that either.

arizona got a bucket ton of picks for moving down one spot in 98, and mostly blew it, that should've been a herschel trade but nope, they rams RGIII'd it.

Jets traded out of the first pick in 97 to rams, rams got orlando pace. jets got the pick but then traded it to seattle seahawks get walter jones. cliffs of all those picks they got? an ok LB for like 2 seasons so basically lol jets. Bill parcells genius. There was one in 90, move up team got a HOF, move down team got nothing.

most savage thing I've read in awhile
opponents no longer feared “Revis Island.” In no game was this more evident than Week 8 against Cleveland.

herschel was a 5th round pick not a top 5 one (since he was going to play in the USFL). Smart GM's bet on that league dying (guess who's fault that was--TRUMP).

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03-06-2017 , 05:28 AM
How does this Glennon amount happen after Osweiler
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03-06-2017 , 05:35 AM
We'll see the guaranteed money but Alex smith is paid ~17 million a year. Glennon getting 15 would be incredible.


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03-06-2017 , 05:37 AM
Tall, white QB's with two syllable last names are almost always better than excessively long named QB's. That makes as much sense as any other reason Glennon is going to get paid.
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03-06-2017 , 06:18 AM
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Jets traded out of the first pick in 97 to rams, rams got orlando pace. jets got the pick but then traded it to seattle seahawks get walter jones. cliffs of all those picks they got? an ok LB for like 2 seasons so basically lol jets. Bill parcells genius.
Obviously he's no Orlando Pace or Walter Jones, but come on, James Farrior had a 15-year career and made an All-Pro team.

Almost all the good seasons were with Pittsburgh, though. Apparently the Jets played him out of position because of course they did.
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03-06-2017 , 07:26 AM
Trigger fingers turn to Twitter fingers is a drake lyric btw

Lol at that glennon tweet. If he even sniffs that the team who pays him should be insta relegated to the cfl. What a total joke.

Alshon obviously shouldn't touch 17 per either. I'm a big alshon guy but that too is lol. Hopefully he just lands on a decent team.
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03-06-2017 , 10:53 AM
Michigan's Jabrill Peppers ran a faster 40 than Antonio Brown, a faster 10-yard split than DJax and had a higher vertical leap than A.J. Green.

Peppers is 6 foot 1 and 205 pounds.
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03-06-2017 , 12:11 PM
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Michigan's Jabrill Peppers ran a faster 40 than Antonio Brown, a faster 10-yard split than DJax and had a higher vertical leap than A.J. Green.

Peppers is 6 foot 1 and 205 pounds.
the takeaway from that is probably the exact opposite of what you think it is
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03-06-2017 , 12:20 PM
here is an interesting look at what combine stats matter (by position) and how much they matter in an absolute sense.

the author concludes by saying that combine stats alone are about as half as good as predicting success in the NFL as the the draft has been. which is...eh? I can't quite figure out if that is good or not.

we already know the draft is a huge variance game, so being half as good as that doesn't strike me as a breakthrough. but it's...interesting that combine stats alone, completely agnostic of other information, gets you...somewhere. I guess.

a couple other thoughts:

- when I see that the top factor correlated with CB success is "weight", it gives me pause.
- ditto for DE, where "weight" is apparently all that you need to look at

or maybe I'm reading this wrong
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03-06-2017 , 12:28 PM
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Michigan's Jabrill Peppers ran a faster 40 than Antonio Brown, a faster 10-yard split than DJax and had a higher vertical leap than A.J. Green.

Peppers is 6 foot 1 and 205 pounds.
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the takeaway from that is probably the exact opposite of what you think it is
What do you think that I think the takeaway from that is?
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03-06-2017 , 12:31 PM
Julius Peppers' agent Carl Carey*:

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There has been communication with Jabrill, and there’s a tremendous amount of mutual respect between Julius and Jabrill. The last name has been great to him over the years, and that carries a lot of weight with him. Of course, free agency is unpredictable, so we’ll see what happens over the next several days. Julius would like to ensure he ends up on the same team as Jabrill, though.
*quote may have been totally changed for my amusement
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03-06-2017 , 03:02 PM
Cooks going to be one of the few WR to improve his numbers going to a worse offense if he lands in Tennessee.

Glennon is actually pretty good and worth every penny of 14-15 million per.
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03-06-2017 , 03:31 PM
Cooks is the only member of his draft class still on the roster and he's still on a rookie deal. Lol Saints drafting.
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03-06-2017 , 04:01 PM
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Cooks is the only member of his draft class still on the roster and he's still on a rookie deal. Lol Saints drafting.
Oddly, the above summary somehow under-represents just how bad that Saints draft was after Cooks:

* 2nd Round, 58 overall: DB Stanley Jean-Baptiste. Played a total of 8 plays in 4 games for the Saints in 2014 before being cut 9/5/15. Has not played a snap in the NFL since.

* 3rd Round, 91 overall: Traded. The trade was 20 for 27 & 91. The Saints drafted Cooks & the Cardinals drafted Deone Bucanon & John Brown. Kind of an interesting little deal.

* 4th Round, 126th overall: ILB Khairi Fortt. Waived 10/6/14 without ever playing a down for the Saints. Played 3 games for Jaguars that year without recording a tackle. Has not played since.

* 5th Round, 167th overall: SS Vinnie Sunseri. The 2nd most successful Saints draft pick of 2014. Had 3 tackles in 9 games for the Saints before being placed on IR 11/12/14. Was waived 9/1/15 & signed to practice squad, before being cut 4/25/16. Played 6 games at the end of the season for the 49ers last year, recording 2 tackles.

* 5th Round, 169th overall: OLB Ronald Powell. Another success story. Played 14 games in 2014, recording 1 tackle. Released 9/1/15. Interestingly enough, this pick was initially the Patriots'. They traded it to the Eagles for Isaac Sopoaga & the 198th overall pick (some scrub DE named Zach Moore). The Eagles then traded this pick to the Saints for Darren Sproles.

* 6th Round, 202nd overall: OT Tavon Rooks. Waived 8/30/14. Had a heart attack in June 2015 while on Chiefs practice squad. Survived, but was released. Never suited up for an NFL game.

* 7th Round, 242nd overall: Was actually traded 8/26/13 for Parys Harelson, who played 2 pedestrian seasons with the Saints before retiring at the end of the 2014 season. Saints traded him for the conditional 7th round pick before the 49ers cut him.

So to recap, other than Cooks, the Saints drafted 4 defensive players who combined for a total of 4 tackles in 2014 for the Saints (and 2 tackles, for other teams, in the next 2 seasons combined), and a tackle who never played a snap.

The Saints literally only drafted one player in the 2014 draft who took a snap for them in 2015 or 2016.
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03-06-2017 , 04:16 PM
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Oddly, the above summary somehow under-represents just how bad that Saints draft was after Cooks:

* 2nd Round, 58 overall: DB Stanley Jean-Baptiste. Played a total of 8 plays in 4 games for the Saints in 2014 before being cut 9/5/15. Has not played a snap in the NFL since.

* 3rd Round, 91 overall: Traded. The trade was 20 for 27 & 91. The Saints drafted Cooks & the Cardinals drafted Deone Bucanon & John Brown. Kind of an interesting little deal.

* 4th Round, 126th overall: ILB Khairi Fortt. Waived 10/6/14 without ever playing a down for the Saints. Played 3 games for Jaguars that year without recording a tackle. Has not played since.

* 5th Round, 167th overall: SS Vinnie Sunseri. The 2nd most successful Saints draft pick of 2014. Had 3 tackles in 9 games for the Saints before being placed on IR 11/12/14. Was waived 9/1/15 & signed to practice squad, before being cut 4/25/16. Played 6 games at the end of the season for the 49ers last year, recording 2 tackles.

* 5th Round, 169th overall: OLB Ronald Powell. Another success story. Played 14 games in 2014, recording 1 tackle. Released 9/1/15. Interestingly enough, this pick was initially the Patriots'. They traded it to the Eagles for Isaac Sopoaga & the 198th overall pick (some scrub DE named Zach Moore). The Eagles then traded this pick to the Saints for Darren Sproles.

* 6th Round, 202nd overall: OT Tavon Rooks. Waived 8/30/14. Had a heart attack in June 2015 while on Chiefs practice squad. Survived, but was released. Never suited up for an NFL game.

* 7th Round, 242nd overall: Was actually traded 8/26/13 for Parys Harelson, who played 2 pedestrian seasons with the Saints before retiring at the end of the 2014 season. Saints traded him for the conditional 7th round pick before the 49ers cut him.

So to recap, other than Cooks, the Saints drafted 4 defensive players who combined for a total of 4 tackles in 2014 for the Saints (and 2 tackles, for other teams, in the next 2 seasons combined), and a tackle who never played a snap.

The Saints literally only drafted one player in the 2014 draft who took a snap for them in 2015 or 2016.


Thank God they fired the GM
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