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how is his situation elite even. three pretty good but not great receivers, a te who is hurt every other game, no real running back, and he plays outside in a tough division

I'd taking cousins over all but like 5-7 qbs over the next five years. and 20 mil "to spend elsewhere" doesn't even get that much when every team apparently has 50 mil

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02-24-2017 , 02:46 PM

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PFF, for what that's worth, ranked Washington's offensive line 7th and the receiver group 3rd in the league. Jamison Crowder is really good. Vernon Davis was really good last year. Garcon, Jackson and Reed are obv good.

A top 10 oline and top 5 receiver group - I think that can be reasonably characterized as 'elite'. Also, iirc lots of scouts and writers heaped praise on Gruden/McVay for their scheme and ability to get receivers open. Don't feel like digging all of that up, but people who know a lot more about football than I do felt like the weapons and system made Cousins look great.

Colt McCoy would be like 90% as productive as Cousins in that offense imo

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02-24-2017 , 02:57 PM

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man i'd have mccoy at closer to 70% than 90% of cousins production. oh well no way to actually know

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02-24-2017 , 03:00 PM

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Colt McCoy would be like 90% as productive as Cousins in that offense imo

he was 85% as effective last year (per ANY/A)

but, that is a big difference, about the difference between the 7th and 20th best QB in the league.

I don't know what that's worth in dollar terms but I'd guess you need some really great production elsewhere to make up for that

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02-24-2017 , 03:29 PM

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man i'd have mccoy at closer to 70% than 90% of cousins production. oh well no way to actually know

why don't you share your vast knowledge of QB play with the thread lol

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02-24-2017 , 03:37 PM

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Being 85% as good without playing a single game is pretty impressive.

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02-24-2017 , 03:53 PM

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why don't you share your vast knowledge of QB play with the thread lol

well it has just as much legitimacy as yours

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02-24-2017 , 04:03 PM

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Colt McCoy would be like 90% as productive as Cousins in that offense imo

HAHAHAHAHAHA please stop you are making my stomach hurt

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02-24-2017 , 04:08 PM

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well it has just as much legitimacy as yours

i mean i'm literally here just deferring to folks who know more about this subject than i do

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02-24-2017 , 04:14 PM

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Here is a pretty critical analysis of one of Cousins' best statistical games last year:

http://presnapreads.com/2016/11/25/k...-empty-drives/

Here is the writer of that article being interviewed by the washington post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...r-nfl-starter/

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I think Cousins is a player who is elevated by those around him rather than someone who elevates those around him. He limits what the offense puts out and makes too many plays that hurt their chances of winning games.

Look at both Cowboys games this year: In the first one he repeatedly left plays on the field; in the second he was the primary reason they couldn’t finish drives off with touchdowns in the first half. The fourth quarter of that Cowboys game was similar to the fourth quarter of the Steelers game in Week 1, where he was still checking the ball down despite being behind two scores with time running out. Look at the Arizona game, when the Cardinals were aggressive and sent pressure late in the game. His reactions were those of someone who lacks poise. He missed a wide-open receiver for a first down before missing a wide-open receiver on the interception to Patrick Peterson, Jamison Crowder was gone for a touchdown on that play, too.

The place where I was wholly wrong on Washington wasn’t the quarterback, it was the tight end. Jordan Reed has become Gronk-like in how he impacts games, and that isn’t something I ever thought he’d do.

That’s probably long-winded. Essentially: Look at the plays Cousins leaves on the field. Those are just as significant as the plays he makes, if not more significant, considering the supporting cast. If the supporting cast wasn’t one of the very best in the league, those plays would be focused on a lot more. It would be Nick Foles on the Rams as opposed to Nick Foles on the Eagles.

What this guy is saying is 100% consistent with how the Washington front office is acting regarding Cousins.

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02-24-2017 , 04:29 PM

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Anyone who thinks Cousins is even close to replaceable by a replacement level QB like Colt McCoy is an idiot. I don't care if they draw a paycheck from a media outlet to professionally cover the NFL or even if they draw a paycheck from an NFL team to make personnel decisions. They are obviously idiots.

I'm not saying Cousins is Godgers 2.0 but he's clearly a quality starter with equity to improve further since he's still pretty young.

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02-24-2017 , 04:41 PM

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yeah bro obvious idiots. why didn't the Washington front office lock in irreplaceable top tier starter Kirk Cousins with a (cheaper) long-term deal last offseason?

I'll tell you why.

Obvious idiots

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02-24-2017 , 04:58 PM

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Nothing I remember as far as playing style from McCoy from his Texas days or earlier in his NFL career when he played more suggests he would be able to stay healthy through an NFL season.

He is small and his mentality is not to protect his body. I donno if you can really change that. Sort of like RGIII.

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02-24-2017 , 05:00 PM

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I dont think Cousins is elite, but I doubt McCoy is going to be an adequate replacement either. Redskins seem to be caught in that no mans land where the QB is good enough you dont want to move on, but not good enough that you should be paying him top $$ without severely screwing yourself salary cap wise.

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02-24-2017 , 05:25 PM

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I'm here to start the Patrick Mahomes fan club

I watched his Oklahoma film and tweeted some highlights, if you want to view a long thread it starts here

https://twitter.com/ZoneReads/status/835074060132446208

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02-24-2017 , 06:20 PM

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looooool Reed is not equivalent to Gronk. Had to laugh when they said Brady wouldn't do that. Well no ****ing ****, Cousins isn't as good as Brady - guess we shouldn't sign him! And criticising Couins for 'checking down' is hilarious. He had more air yards than anyone last season

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02-24-2017 , 06:23 PM

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another guy with borderline height (doesn't look 6'3 to me) like trubisky but just basing off a game you linked I'd put him and watson for best in the class to me. I have no ****ing clue what I'm talking about regarding QB's though.

He does share roeth's ability to extend plays but I wish he had more of a feel--he holds ball too damn long.

mechanics slips a little bortles-y at times. Which is standard for college QB's so whatever.

Looks like the last draft, all the good QB's won't be taken in the first round so narrative again is bad draft for QB's.

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02-24-2017 , 06:37 PM

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I can understand not being thrilled with Cousins as the long term answer at QB but I think he manages to get over the minimum bar of competence where they're stuck with him. Hopefully for their sake he'll continue to improve slightly and become an elite QB and all this talk of dumping him will be lol'd at in hindsight.

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02-24-2017 , 06:40 PM

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Meh, his height looks legit to me. And as I said in the tweets, the mechanics don't bother me because A)So often they're just a necessary response to having to throw on the move and B)He pretty well often delivers a well-thrown ball to the right spot even when his mechanics are bad.

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02-24-2017 , 06:42 PM

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Brandon Lee Gowton ✔ @BrandonGowton
Kirk Cousins’ starting record: 19-21-1

Cousins’ record against teams with 9+ wins: 2-11

4:33 PM - 1 Jan 2017

17-10-1 record against bad teams tho. Of course, stats like this are kind of silly. If his team is bad, of course he's going to lose to bad teams, even if he's quite good.

Also, McCoy really isn't the comp...it's whoever they would draft/sign/trade for to replace Cousins & the cost.

It's not really related to the Cousins thing, & it's from before the 2016 season, but I thought this table was kind of fascinating...it shows the career W/L record of QBs on the road against teams with winning records:

Quarterback	Wins	Losses
Tom Brady	20	23
Carson Palmer	12	31
Drew Brees	11	27
Eli Manning	11	34
Aaron Rodgers	8	20
Joe Flacco	8	21
Russell Wilson	7	7
Tony Romo	7	14
Alex Smith	7	27
Matt Ryan	6	17
Jay Cutler	6	26
Andy Dalton	4	10
Philip Rivers	4	20
Colin Kaepernick	3	8
Mark Sanchez	3	9
Andrew Luck	3	10
Ryan Tannehill	2	9
Matthew Stafford	2	21
Teddy Bridgewater	1	3
Derek Carr	1	7
Sam Bradford	1	8
Brock Osweiler	0	1
Marcus Mariota	0	2
Jameis Winston	0	3
Tyrod Taylor	0	3
Kirk Cousins	0	4
Robert Griffin III	0	4
Blake Bortles	0	7
Ryan Fitzpatrick	0	22