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Since Jim Bob took over he's been well above average, and his DYAR rank since 2011 has usually been top 10, under those who have signed mega deals or will retire soon

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08-30-2017 , 03:33 AM

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Stafford should get a little better as he hits his QB prime.

But top 3 ceiling is, ahem, ambitious. At a glance, I got squash pegged as a Lions fan.

I can't really knock the signing. Staff has the skill-set to Flac or Eli a playoff run. I wouldn't stop drafting QBoF if I was Detroit though.

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08-30-2017 , 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bazooka87

Since Jim Bob took over he's been well above average, and his DYAR rank since 2011 has usually been top 10, under those who have signed mega deals or will retire soon

2016 9th
2015 9th
2014 15th
2013 12th
2012 6th
2011 5th

Interesting. Does Andy Dalton get a mega deal? He was 4th & 10th the last 2 years.

Bengals did something really smart & locked him up for a 6 year extension before he actually became good, & only guaranteed 17.7% of the $.

Also, maybe Jim Bob is just made of magic & could make any QB look good.

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08-30-2017 , 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Heroball

They've never started... their other 2 QBs are 6th rounders. Rudock is from Michigan... they might be taking this finding the next Brady thing a little too literally.

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08-30-2017 , 03:47 AM

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Good point.

Other than GB and SEA, every team should at least be looking to upgrade the QB position (either olds or not good enoughs).

Not a huge Cam or Ryan believer, but I guess CAR/ATL could back-shelf their QB searches.

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08-30-2017 , 04:11 AM

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2013-2016. a total of 47 QBs were drafted. Of those, only 4 or 5 are clearly guys who are gonna be starters for a long time - Carr, Jameis, Mariota, Dak (and probably Wentz) and 3 of these are top 2 picks who the Lions have no access to right now.

then, imo you have 2 more who look like they could be good starters, but you wouldn't bet that much on them in Jimmy and Teddy. Then you're down to Goff and maaaaybe Siemian as guys who have a decent chance to start for a while

drafting and developing a QB is hard. when you have an above average one, you have to keep him and build the rest of the team around them

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08-30-2017 , 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by nath

The real problem is just that QBs are still underpaid in general and each new contract for a franchise QB is gonna break the bank

J.J. Watt is worth at most 2 points to a line and probably not even that. What's Aaron Rodgers worth? 10? I think even the Bears line moved 7 points when Cutler went out for McCown or Hoyer or someone else one time he got injured. But you can't pay a QB 5 times as much as anyone else with the salary cap.

Complaining about the Stafford extension is like complaining that the 20th best player in the NBA gets a max contract.

This. Every time a QB (other than the elite) gets an extension the same mouth-breathers go crazy. The issue is the QB market and not the QB.

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08-30-2017 , 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JMurder3

Dalton probably too far off to judge regarding mega deal, agree it was a good contract from Bengals perspective. If he was signing today he probably gets a really good deal and most fans would be incredulous even though he was good last season and incredible the year before.
Their o-line got a lot worse in the offseason so he'll probably regress

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08-30-2017 , 08:43 AM

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Let the Joe Haden sweepstakes begin

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08-30-2017 , 08:58 AM

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does he have anything left is the question

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08-30-2017 , 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by nath

Why can't you pay a QB much much more? There are no max contracts, right? Why not just offer Aaron Rodgers 5/200mm with 100mm gtd if you're the Jets or some equally lol team and build around that without any other superstars.

Belichick has found ways to consistently have a top 5 offense with a good QB, an elite but often injured TE, and a bunch of castoffs.

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08-30-2017 , 10:44 AM

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Not too well versed in NFL contracts but it's my understanding almost no franchise-worthy quarterbacks reach free agency and can't be tapped up before that. Peyton I guess but there were obviously massive concerns with him. All eyes on Kirk and what he can get assuming he doesn't regress massively this season

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08-30-2017 , 10:50 AM

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Yeah, it would be interesting if any QB ever got there. & in that scenario the Jets should just guarantee the whole thing so they can get him for less cap hit. If he dies they're screwed either way.

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08-30-2017 , 10:54 AM

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Ya I've already predicted Cousins will be the highest paid player in history

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08-30-2017 , 11:07 AM

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Browns released Haden. I guess the answer is there was no trade market at that salary...

Saints, Chiefs, & maybe Cowboys expected to be in on him.

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08-30-2017 , 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bazooka87

but they can choose to reach FA right? Nothing is stopping them aside from wanting to lock in the money earlier right? He will be a UFA in 2020 and while he would be 36 years old I don't see why he wouldn't be able to ask for like 4/175 with 125mm gtd if he performs at his current level (especially if Brady and Brees put up a couple more good years each showing that QBs can make it to or past 40 and still be elite). Would you not pay him that if you didn't have a top 20 QB on your roster?

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08-30-2017 , 11:23 AM

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Franchise tag #1 & franchise tag #2 would take him to 38.

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08-30-2017 , 11:39 AM

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Franchise tag #1 & franchise tag #2 would take him to 38.

good point, he should've done it last contract. Younger QBs should be doing this though. Like why would Mariota/Jameis/etc. not force the teams to tag them after their rookie deals then sign massive contracts after assuming they continue to improve? Just wanting to lock in gtd money?

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08-30-2017 , 11:45 AM

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Browns released Haden. I guess the answer is there was no trade market at that salary...

Saints, Chiefs, & maybe Cowboys expected to be in on him.

Apparently Steelers are the front-runners now.

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I think some of it has to do with security, & a lot probably has to do with image & team & other stuff like that. People kind of expect a QB to be the leader of a franchise & not get all mercenary & try to hold out for as much as possible. I also think they feel some obligation to their teammates as a leader.

But yeah, financially there's not a good reason, & if one player got the ball rolling on that, it might become a thing.

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08-30-2017 , 11:59 AM

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MMQB

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I think what everyone needs to realize about quarterback contracts is that nothing’s changed. Quarterbacks at the top of the salary chain are going to make between 13 and 16 percent of the salary cap. That’s how it works. To prove it, I went back to 1997 to see the three highest-paid quarterbacks. And then I took the three highest-paid 20 years later. I found that, basically, we’re playing with Monopoly money. That’s the lesson here.

In 1997, the salary cap was $41.5 million. This year, the cap is $167 million, almost precisely four times what the cap was 20 years ago. Comparing the highest-paid passers then and now, in average salary:

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Year	QB	        Avg. Salary  Pct. of Cap That Year
1997	Brett Favre	$6.5 million	15.7%
1997	Troy Aikman	$6.3 million	15.2%
1997	Drew Bledsoe	$6.0 million	14.5%
2017	Matt Stafford	$25.3 million	15.1%
2017	Derek Carr	$25.0 million	15.0%
2017	Andrew Luck	$24.6 million	14.7%

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08-30-2017 , 12:03 PM

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The Texans/Cowboys game has been canceled

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08-30-2017 , 01:20 PM

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I'm compiling a list of people who think this was a good move and I've got you and whoever in Detroit green lit this contract and Stafford and his agent on it. Who am I missing?

Put me on the list. Seems absolutely fine. People evaluating QBs very strangely in this thread (Alex Smith, Stafford).

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08-30-2017 , 01:28 PM

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MMQB

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Year	QB	        Avg. Salary  Pct. of Cap That Year
1997	Brett Favre	$6.5 million	15.7%
1997	Troy Aikman	$6.3 million	15.2%
1997	Drew Bledsoe	$6.0 million	14.5%
2017	Matt Stafford	$25.3 million	15.1%
2017	Derek Carr	$25.0 million	15.0%
2017	Andrew Luck	$24.6 million	14.7%

I don't think the issue is whether paying a QB 15% of cap is ok (it obviously is)...it's what type of QB should be earning 15% of cap, & how potentially bad the other alternatives are.

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08-30-2017 , 01:43 PM

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Staffords contract is fine.

It's supply and demand. And he's a top 12 QB. Despite him not being "elite" , without him they'd be much worse, and the players have all the power. 15 teams would love to have Stafford as their QB. Difference between a bad record and a mediocre one.
Getting to the playoffs and running hot seems to give you a better shot of a superbowl than going blindly hunting for the next franchise QB in the draft. Just ask the browns how that has worked out for them the last few years