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Looking at the position holistically, I agree.

I disagree that any 5th rounder is guaranteed to get 90% of Devonta's production.

There are a lot more Ameer Abdullahs than there are David Johnsons.

I don't know about "generational talent," but the list of 1000 yard 10 TD backs the past two years is 1. Devonta, 2. nobody else.

It really doesn't matter is a specific 5th rounder is going to get 90% of his production. Tevin Coleman can be a feature back and they can bring 15 RBs into camp and keep the best 3 to figure out how to replace his production. Basically every single team in the NFL would be better off with this strategy than paying any RB $8mm ever.

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08-09-2017 , 11:58 AM

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This is not true at all. Teammates love him. You hear about the few bad relationships (Marshall mostly) bc the media hates him and wants to paint him in the worst light imaginable.

Lol at teammates loving him. Hes universally despised.

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08-09-2017 , 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

yeah system >>>>> player at RB for everyone except tomlinson level

even when leveon bell goes down ancient deangelo williams is putting up 20 fantasy points a game

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08-09-2017 , 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TJ Eckleburg12

I forget who it was that made this observation, maybe it was Bill Simmons, I think Winston has it to be a great leader. When he speaks to the team he's like a preacher. He's magnetic, people will follow him.

That bit about the motivational speaking was revealing, I thought.

There's plenty of great leaders who are magnetic and charismatic that lead their people to absolute ****

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08-09-2017 , 12:16 PM

#3305

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Originally Posted by dkgojackets

yeah system >>>>> player at RB for everyone except tomlinson level

even when leveon bell goes down ancient deangelo williams is putting up 20 fantasy points a game

Right. Tomlinson and Peterson were exceptions. Marshall Faulk and Barry Sanders before them too.

But these guys come around at a rate of like 1 guy every 5 years. If you have one of them its ok to pay them, but still just do it without structuring it in a way where there are cap hits more than 2 years out if you cut them.

If you don't have a true franchise guy just stick with guys on rookie contracts and bring a ton of them into camp each and every year and keep your eyes open for talent while spending elsewhere.

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08-09-2017 , 12:19 PM

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bell deserves to be paid as much as the other 31 combined imo

possible exception for the bloke in arizona

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08-09-2017 , 12:20 PM

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The upside of this deal for the Falcons is if Freeman becomes a HOF RB then they got him for a little cheaper than they should have, but we're talking like $1-2mm/yr at that point. The downside is he gets hurt this year and we're eating money and cap hits for several years.

Alternatively, Freeman could be good enough and productive enough that we can't really cut him but this contract is still a slight net negative. The biggest issue in this case arises if Tevin becomes a HOF RB and we can't resign him because tying up $18mm in RBs is a death wish.

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08-09-2017 , 12:26 PM

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think of it this way though:

freeman signed 5 yr/41 m/22 gtd

in 2012 jonathan stewart signed 5 yr/38 m/23 gtd with the cap less than 80% of what it is now and having played 4 years as a backup

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08-09-2017 , 12:35 PM

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Seems bad to give the 2nd best RB on the team that contract

lol

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Cutler mvp 2017 book it.

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That seems excessive

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08-09-2017 , 12:47 PM

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These idiots never learn huh

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08-09-2017 , 01:24 PM

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The downfall of the 2017 Bucs will be that they spent all of their film room sessions talking about football in metaphors of rocket ships and construction sites, and no time actually getting better at football.

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08-09-2017 , 05:13 PM

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I can't figure out how to embed tweets.

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@FieldYates: The Falcons now have their leading rusher, receiver, sack-er, top 2 tacklers, top CB & best OL under contract for 3 or more years. Stacked.

https://twitter.com/FieldYates/statu...79414392610816

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08-09-2017 , 05:23 PM

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lol rusher
lol "tacklers"

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08-09-2017 , 05:42 PM

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The Falcons thing made me worry about their future cap...then I looked at Spotrac & was like wow they're already over the cap for next year.

Then I looked at all teams & realized lots of teams are already over the cap next year. I guess there are cuts on the way:

RANK	TEAM	SIGNED	AVG AGE	ACTIVE	DEAD	ADJUSTMENTS	TOTAL CAP	CAP SPACE
1	Detroit Lions	52	25.15	$101,069,450	$4,831,756	$0	$105,901,206	$62,098,794
2	New York Jets	55	25.42	$115,675,272	$2,125,000	$0	$117,800,272	$50,199,728
3	Indianapolis Colts	57	25.3	$119,486,962	-	$0	$119,486,962	$48,513,038
4	Houston Texans	59	25.41	$126,401,680	$9,335	$0	$126,411,015	$41,588,985
5	Washington Redskins	59	25.66	$127,348,239	-	$0	$127,348,239	$40,651,761
6	Los Angeles Rams	63	25.23	$131,676,899	$2,500	$0	$131,679,399	$36,320,601
7	Chicago Bears	46	26.1	$134,237,400	-	$0	$134,237,400	$33,762,600
8	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	59	25.59	$138,275,575	-	$0	$138,275,575	$29,724,425
9	Buffalo Bills	51	25.82	$140,035,608	$2,683,162	$0	$142,718,770	$25,281,230
10	Minnesota Vikings	58	25.34	$142,810,149	$5,001	$0	$142,815,150	$25,184,850
11	San Francisco 49ers	68	25.82	$144,240,760	$2,000	$0	$144,242,760	$23,757,240
12	Arizona Cardinals	45	26.37	$147,246,168	-	$0	$147,246,168	$20,753,832
13	Cincinnati Bengals	67	25.33	$150,588,233	-	$0	$150,588,233	$17,411,767
14	Pittsburgh Steelers	44	26.64	$150,749,700	-	$0	$150,749,700	$17,250,300
15	Green Bay Packers	57	25.19	$153,231,060	$169,001	$0	$153,400,061	$14,599,939
16	Seattle Seahawks	49	25.82	$155,953,794	-	$0	$155,953,794	$12,046,206
17	Los Angeles Chargers	52	25.61	$153,389,562	$3,200,000	$0	$156,589,562	$11,410,438
18	New York Giants	59	25.68	$158,996,358	-	$0	$158,996,358	$9,003,642
19	Cleveland Browns	68	24.87	$162,009,984	$2,000	$0	$162,011,984	$5,988,016
20	New England Patriots	63	26.08	$162,722,917	-	$0	$162,722,917	$5,277,083
21	Oakland Raiders	62	25.24	$162,515,606	$1,451,331	$0	$163,966,937	$4,033,063
22	Denver Broncos	54	25.74	$164,289,913	$6,001	$0	$164,295,914	$3,704,086
23	Tennessee Titans	66	26.27	$165,795,470	$66,372	$0	$165,861,842	$2,138,158
24	Carolina Panthers	51	26.86	$164,169,584	$2,000,000	$0	$166,169,584	$1,830,416
LEAGUE AVERAGE
25	Baltimore Ravens	62	26.31	$165,815,250	$2,200,000	$0	$168,015,250	($15,250)
26	Dallas Cowboys	66	25.68	$168,424,231	-	$0	$168,424,231	($424,231)
27	Atlanta Falcons	62	25.82	$168,288,938	$1,600,000	$0	$169,888,938	($1,888,938)
28	Jacksonville Jaguars	60	25.61	$173,718,220	$137,146	$0	$173,855,366	($5,855,366)
29	New Orleans Saints	59	26.46	$172,479,399	$4,617,323	$0	$177,096,722	($9,096,722)
30	Miami Dolphins	60	25.7	$179,798,243	-	$0	$179,798,243	($11,798,243)
31	Kansas City Chiefs	51	26.12	$178,650,126	$4,841,564	$0	$183,491,690	($15,491,690)
32	Philadelphia Eagles	66	26.24	$185,300,013	-	$0	$185,300,013	($17,300,013)

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2018/

No idea why that sign says "league average", I think they mean projected cap.

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08-09-2017 , 05:43 PM

#3315

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Hard knocks ep 1.
Winston looks like a guy you wanna root for and the the team looks in good shape this year. Although having gone from the la rams to the Buccs it's not hard for them to look like a better organisation.

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08-09-2017 , 07:04 PM

#3316

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Bucs should be at least exciting to watch and you can't trust a single squad in that division from year to year so they have a legit chance to playoff.

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08-09-2017 , 07:44 PM

#3317

MrWookie

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Gano in mid-season form

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08-09-2017 , 07:53 PM

#3318

dkgojackets

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qb controversy imo

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08-09-2017 , 07:54 PM

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KB in top form

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08-09-2017 , 07:54 PM

#3320

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There's a preseason thread dolts

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08-09-2017 , 07:58 PM

#3321

dkgojackets

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harrison buttkicker should play over gano-good

dude was clutch

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08-09-2017 , 08:16 PM

#3322

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One thing is certain, Cutler has MVP calibre hair

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08-10-2017 , 02:42 AM

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28 Jacksonville Jaguars 60 25.61 $173,718,220 $137,146 $0 $173,855,366 ($5,855,366)

wow just wow

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08-10-2017 , 12:47 PM

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When did Lions get all that cap? Staffords gotta love that chart. Looking closer 49ers and Browns have 68 players listed and Lions only have 52 so that's probably a part of it.