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08-12-2017 , 12:38 PM

#3451

Perhaps Shimmy

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08-12-2017 , 12:42 PM

#3452

DisGunBGud

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Originally Posted by ut2010

https://deadspin.com/witness-claims-...-to-1786320742

Bro they have evidence of actual physical violence. This isn't a shafting of Zeek in any shape or form. Both her being a crazy liar and Zeek putting his hands on her can exist and that's exactly what happened.

I'm all for LOLROG but not gonna do that when we're talking about domestic violence. 6 game suspension to play football for millions of dollars after it's over and you beat on a girl? Yea you got off easy.

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08-12-2017 , 12:42 PM

#3453

Namath12

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I really hope Tampa's experience doesn't dissuade other teams from taking a kicker in the second round. The NFL needs bold men to make bold moves in these bold times.

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08-12-2017 , 01:01 PM

#3454

clowntable

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I'm curious, how do labor laws work in the U.S.? Can you suspend someone for something he hasn't been charged for (outside the NFL which can pretty much do whatever they want it seems)? I think there's very little protection for employees and most of the power lies with the employer, right?

I mean I know you're supposedly innocent until proven guilty but that's irrelevant for employers, right? If they fear some sort of bad PR they have cause to fire you (or suspend you for a couple of weeks I guess)?

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08-12-2017 , 01:03 PM

#3455

rafiki

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lol TB

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08-12-2017 , 01:13 PM

#3456

Dudd

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The NFL is collectively bargained with the union, so they can do pretty much what they agree to wrt suspensions. Most other jobs are at will, so you can be fired for any reason or no reason provided it isn't illegal (racial discrimination, gender, etc)

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08-12-2017 , 01:34 PM

#3457

AUGUY55

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2nd round kicker.

Lmao

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08-12-2017 , 01:52 PM

#3458

AUGUY55

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Originally Posted by clowntable

I would imagine none of that matters because the players collectively bargained all this stuff with the NFL, right? They agreed ROG can ROG it up and do what he wants. I would imagine by the time the next cba comes around the players are going to want ROG to have less power. Why they didn't want this when they agreed to the cba last time is kinda mind boggling

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08-12-2017 , 03:20 PM

#3459

JMurder3

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Aguayo still a better pick than Hack.

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08-12-2017 , 03:26 PM

#3460

wheatrich

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I'll always look back fondly of the time the bucs traded 3rd and 4th round picks to move up to the 2nd round to pick a kicker who didn't even make year 2 with the club. One I thought would be a bust at the time of the pick.

At least the bucs understand sunk costs, many orgs he'd get at least 2 full seasons.

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08-12-2017 , 06:42 PM

#3461

REDeYeS00

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Originally Posted by Perhaps Shimmy

Spoiler:

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08-12-2017 , 06:57 PM

#3462

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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud

And they have a sworn affidavit from this girl Ayrin that said the physical violence came about from her getting in an altercation with another girl. You have no idea "exactly what happened" and neither does anyone else (except Zeke and the girl) and that's what makes this whole thing ridiculous.

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08-12-2017 , 07:25 PM

#3463

Aidan

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Lolnflpa

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08-13-2017 , 01:53 PM

#3464

AUGUY55

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08-13-2017 , 02:10 PM

#3465

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according to barnwell, coughlin's giants were the most injured team 3 years in a row. Now he's a jags exec. Fournette/Lee injured during the jags new toughness drills.

Not that any of us didn't already know the toughness drills are stupid.

No correlation between injuries year to year they say, all random variance.

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08-13-2017 , 03:51 PM

#3466

nath

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Originally Posted by Tom Ames

Pats are gonna be in deep doo-doo when the dividends from the tank jobs by the other three teams start paying off.

Yeah but only because Brady will be 50 and Belichick will be 75 by then

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Originally Posted by CandyKreep

If this is true, it's pretty damn shady... no? Oh, it's fine. The lead investigator on the Zeke case for the NFL just happens to be a rabid, paint your entire living room blue and red, kind of Giants fan... LULZ... Nothing to see here, folks.

http://dailysnark.com/turns-nfls-lea...ny-giants-fan/

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Originally Posted by 72off

gj by dailysnark.com to unearth this conspiracy!

And by "unearth" we mean "link to a 247sports post from two weeks ago"

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08-13-2017 , 04:50 PM

#3467

SteveSax

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Not often you can get a 2nd round pick for nothing. Bears winning again.

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08-13-2017 , 04:55 PM

#3468

AUGUY55

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Originally Posted by SteveSax

Not often you can get a 2nd round pick for nothing. Bears winning again.

Aguayo got picked up? Lmao

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08-13-2017 , 05:13 PM

#3469

nath

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Aguayo was 50% from 40+ his last year of college in a home environment that's as close to optimal as a non-dome can be

I still have no idea why anyone thought he was a worthy kicker prospect

He's the Jared Goff of kickers

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08-13-2017 , 05:17 PM

#3470

capone0

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Originally Posted by nath

TB is really dumb. In fact, most gms who think to draft non HOF kickers/punters in the first three rounds should be fired. Even with the extra point change, the difference between most kickers is pretty tiny that I can't imagine paying that much for it. So much value was wasted with that kicker and likely wasted with most high picked specialty players at non key positions.

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08-13-2017 , 05:23 PM

#3471

SteveSax

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Kicker just needs to be coached up

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08-13-2017 , 05:36 PM

#3472

nath

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Originally Posted by capone0

Tampa was dumb for making that move, but the thing is, having Aguayo ranked that high / as some "best kicker in years" prospect was a pretty widespread consensus. Even among some basic standards of kicker evaluation, it just didn't make sense.

It's actually pretty funny that we can debate whether he or Hackenberg was a worse pick that year, because they're both players who were quite obviously even to a layman (or someone who could look up their basic statistics) the product of hype.

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08-13-2017 , 05:37 PM

#3473

BOIDS

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what was TBs reason for drafting him so high. they must've had some sort of thought process even if it was rotten

edit, posted before seeing the above: i guess he was a top rated kicker, how come? 50% from 40+..

can he kick it super far or sth

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08-13-2017 , 05:41 PM

#3474

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No other kicker was even picked that year. I'm betting TB were picking against themselves.

Other than Janikowski, which high rated kicking prospect has worked out for a team that drafted him in the modern era?

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08-13-2017 , 05:49 PM

#3475

nath

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Originally Posted by capone0

Ray Guy is in the Hall of Fame; I couldn't find anyone else of note in the first round. (Maybe the Raiders are uniquely good at this?) There were a few second- and third-round kickers and punters that had long careers; Jason Hanson played 21 seasons for the team that drafted him, probably the biggest success story.

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