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Originally Posted by Namath12
wow you have OJ Howard way higher than I'd expect
was hoping he might fall to Miami
I don't think he'll go that high, but he's a complete freak of an athlete and has the complete TE package. David Njoku might end up being the freaker Jimmy Graham-type receiver but Howard is a very good receiver who's athletic enough he could probably be a pass rusher if he wanted to. (He's like a less explosive but quicker Vernon Davis.)
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
I think the mike williams bashing is a bit from treadwell being god awful. I got that one massively wrong. People hated alshon/brandon marshall types too coming out in the draft too (neither were first rounders, hell jets drafted stephen hill before alshon jeffrey if I recall correctly) so *shrugs*. We still haven't hit on those types that are great vs busts yet.
Williams is so good at winning consistently at the catch point that I'm not at all worried about separation. Treadwell I'm still holding out hope for because he's very young and considering how badly his foot was ****ed up it may just need more time to heal. Of course, it's also possible he'll never get his full athleticism back, which would be a real shame-- he's got such a terrific game on film.
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Originally Posted by adios
This. We probably don't have enough data from the combines but to make a long story short, past data from previous combines shows this is a major caution flag, probably a no go flag. At 55 and above the record is much better than below 55. Surprisingly perhaps at 55-56 has the best results. Again I think it is only since 2008 that we have a record at the combine and some of the best QBs now like Matt Ryan were not measured. I think Mitch is at 55, Kizer 56, Mahomes 60, JimmyG 56. I think it is an important stat FWIW.
Watson has some intangibles though. Btw, for Browns fans, Kessler was measured at 55.
Next we can get into hand sizes of QBs.
Historical QB Combine Data
As I said, I've seen this data, and I think it's too small and too incomplete to draw any meaningful conclusions. It only goes back to 2008, and look how often the projected top QBs in a class didn't throw: Matt Ryan didn't throw. Matt Stafford didn't throw. Sam Bradford didn't throw. Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin, and Ryan Tannehill all didn't throw. Teddy Bridgewater didn't throw at the Combine; Derek Carr didn't throw at all. I don't think you can draw any meaningful conclusions from the ball velocity of a couple dozen mid-round prospects who almost all weren't going to make it anyway and apply anything definite to top-rated prospects.