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04-17-2020 , 04:04 PM
AJ Terrell -145 to be a first round pick despite zero tackling ability really

athletically he keeps up just needs to bulk a little/better tech. even in *that* game. That was far more LSU good than him bad.

was he concussed early in that game and just played through it I wonder. (he won the first two plays)

(ain't gonna do a board, I just think the NFL will overlook some of this for his ability to run with people, he's playing a touch and trail way of CB and is keeping up with chase until he gets out physicaled)

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04-17-2020 , 04:48 PM
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AJ Terrell -145 to be a first round pick despite zero tackling ability really

athletically he keeps up just needs to bulk a little/better tech. even in *that* game. That was far more LSU good than him bad.

was he concussed early in that game and just played through it I wonder. (he won the first two plays)

(ain't gonna do a board, I just think the NFL will overlook some of this for his ability to run with people, he's playing a touch and trail way of CB and is keeping up with chase until he gets out physicaled)
-180 now, lurkers taking on my picks, I have no inside info and that's most important on stuff like this, what NFL teams actually think about certain guys. The worst safety prospect in rd 1 I've ever seen was randall and he still got picked there so I'm not touching Delpit, who can't tackle and was injured both the last two seasons. (sometimes that is overrated but it also has snowballed people out of careers so idk)
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04-17-2020 , 05:19 PM
I love Ayiuk's just go running style but man, everything is open, is a bit of a gadget guy for me. I can't come up with any even halfway reasonable comparison for him at all due to his middling testing numbers. Did he make any sort of contested catch ever?
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04-17-2020 , 07:07 PM
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I love Ayiuk's just go running style but man, everything is open, is a bit of a gadget guy for me. I can't come up with any even halfway reasonable comparison for him at all due to his middling testing numbers. Did he make any sort of contested catch ever?
Spoiler:



65 rec/1,192 yds/8 td season total

against the best 5 defenses ASU played:
Mich St: 5/64/0
Cal: 2/31/0
Utah: 1/7/0
USC: 5/51/1
the outlier is vs Oregon: 7/161/1

he put up the bulk of his numbers against the likes of Kent State, Sac State, Colorado, Oregon St, and WSU
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04-17-2020 , 07:37 PM
Good lord. I was worried about Aiyuk because he did nothing before last season ("guy who's not productive until he's old" often produces Josh Doctson / Kevin White outcomes), but that makes it look even worse.

Terrified the Saints might take Murray or Aiyuk. (Or a shitty QB I guess)

mybookie.ag currently has over 4 QBs in the first round at -210, which, there probably shouldn't even be 4 QBs in the first, so, uh, yeah, that'll be interesting to see.
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04-17-2020 , 07:53 PM
to be fair Aiyuk was a JUCO transfer (looks like a 0* recruit out of HS and a 3* out of JUCO so it looks like he's made some improvement. he was honorable mention all state his senior year, not sure what's going on...off field issues?). his other offers out of JUCO appear to be Sac St, Nevada, Idaho, Colorado St, Hawaii, Kansas, Buffalo, Middle Tenn St, etc. somewhat understandable since many programs don't recruit from the JUCO ranks unless they're desperate or desperate.
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04-17-2020 , 09:53 PM
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Good lord. I was worried about Aiyuk because he did nothing before last season ("guy who's not productive until he's old" often produces Josh Doctson / Kevin White outcomes), but that makes it look even worse.

Terrified the Saints might take Murray or Aiyuk. (Or a shitty QB I guess)

mybookie.ag currently has over 4 QBs in the first round at -210, which, there probably shouldn't even be 4 QBs in the first, so, uh, yeah, that'll be interesting to see.

Has there been any buzz about the Saints taking Cam? Makes perfect sense for Cam imo - a year to rehab if he needs it and learn the system and then he walks into about the best situation possible and for the Saints they go straight from Brees to another top tier QB

Maybe he wants to start this year/wants more $$ and maybe Saints want to look at his medical but it’d be a smart move from both sides imo
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04-17-2020 , 09:57 PM
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to be fair Aiyuk was a JUCO transfer (looks like a 0* recruit out of HS and a 3* out of JUCO so it looks like he's made some improvement. he was honorable mention all state his senior year, not sure what's going on...off field issues?). his other offers out of JUCO appear to be Sac St, Nevada, Idaho, Colorado St, Hawaii, Kansas, Buffalo, Middle Tenn St, etc. somewhat understandable since many programs don't recruit from the JUCO ranks unless they're desperate or desperate.
Even considering that, he's the same age as N'Keal Harry and was an afterthought in 2018 when Harry was dominating the offense. Compare to someone like Antonio Gandy-Golden who, while certainly playing against lesser competition, was immediately Liberty's go-to guy.

The 0-star thing feeds into this concern-- not that low-rated recruits can't make it in the NFL, but that it's another sign he might not have the talent to succeed at the next level, or it would have been obvious before then. Even according to his Wiki most colleges wanted to recruit him as a return specialist; I don't think that's the profile of a good use of a first-round pick.

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Has there been any buzz about the Saints taking Cam? Makes perfect sense for Cam imo - a year to rehab if he needs it and learn the system and then he walks into about the best situation possible and for the Saints they go straight from Brees to another top tier QB

Maybe he wants to start this year/wants more $$ and maybe Saints want to look at his medical but it’d be a smart move from both sides imo
I haven't heard anything, but if Cam's healthy it seems like a great situation for us, especially since the Saints have the talent to win outside of Brees.
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04-18-2020 , 08:25 AM
Nothing says continuity like going from the most accurate to least accurate qb possible.
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04-18-2020 , 02:28 PM
"lol"
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04-19-2020 , 01:47 PM
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mybookie.ag currently has over 4 QBs in the first round at -210, which, there probably shouldn't even be 4 QBs in the first, so, uh, yeah, that'll be interesting to see.
Love's the 4th and his O/U is 19.5. 5th seems ridiculous, but that extra year of control if he pans out is very valuable.

This prop has an arb though, Under 4 +155, Bet Online has Over 4 +110. (under is -150) Shame it'll push a lot of the time. OL and Big 10 had something similar a few days ago. A few prospects had like $5 arbs out there among bookie/bet online/bovada but those seem gone now at a glance.

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04-19-2020 , 01:49 PM
Cam Newton?

More like Scam Newton, amiright!?
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04-19-2020 , 06:32 PM
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Cam Newton?

More like Scam Newton, amiright!?
Newton's third law of motion:
When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body exerts a force equal in magnitude on the hands of the secondary and is returned opposite in direction from the first body
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04-19-2020 , 07:54 PM
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Newton's third law of motion:
When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body exerts a force equal in magnitude on the hands of the secondary and is returned opposite in direction from the first body
LOLOLOL

I laughed the hardest I have in a good week. Thanks REDeYeS!
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04-19-2020 , 07:59 PM
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04-19-2020 , 11:17 PM
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Justin Herbert = Jay Cutler - about 50 IQ points
correct and if the Dolphins actually pick him over Tua just lol that franchise for all time
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04-21-2020 , 12:36 AM
You can still boo goodell at this year's draft, and it's for charity

https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/20/bud-l...booing-videos/
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04-21-2020 , 12:48 PM
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correct and if the Dolphins actually pick him over Tua just lol that franchise for all time
I expect nothing less of Flores and am ready to write them off for good once they do
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04-21-2020 , 03:08 PM
Last dolphins rumors were they were taking thomas, but that easily could've been to try to get NYG to do it.

We're in the about half of rumors are right, the other half are total smoke portion of the **** show.

Brown in the top 5 is hilarious but I guess a lot went there even in recent drafts. Darius in that loaded as **** 11 draft ahead of Julio/AJ Green, Tyson Jackson, who else am I forgetting who wasn't a top pass rusher still went up there, Leonard Williams, all of them not bad players but just nowhere near worth the draft status. People comparing him to Suh are idiots. Quinnen Williams.

They just don't learn.


in fun revisiting drafts news--2015 draft, a running back with a **** knee has turned out to be the fifth best pick in the entire first round (I'd argue 4th, but armstead is still in SF). Yikes. (i'm not using career AV here as Peters is pretty high but he's already on his third team)
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04-22-2020 , 03:17 PM
now the rumor is the dolphins are trying to trade up to take thomas

what do you even say to this, there's four offensive tackles in this draft expected early on. You literally have to have graded one top 5 and everyone else 2nd round to even think of this.

Also, it would be the most dolphins thing to do to trade a left tackle for two first round picks then trade two first round picks to get a left tackle.
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04-22-2020 , 04:44 PM
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04-22-2020 , 05:15 PM
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now the rumor is the dolphins are trying to trade up to take thomas

what do you even say to this, there's four offensive tackles in this draft expected early on. You literally have to have graded one top 5 and everyone else 2nd round to even think of this.

Also, it would be the most dolphins thing to do to trade a left tackle for two first round picks then trade two first round picks to get a left tackle.
Lot of mocks having Miami taking the S from bama with their mid first round pick. Which would mean they traded minkah - a proven success at the position who had already been paid and had 4 more years of dirt cheap contract - to select a player at the same position they hope to be as good as minkah.



What I want Miami to do:
5. Tua
18. Best OT available: Cleveland if he falls. Joshua Jones if not. If another OT like Becton falls then even better.
26. best OT or EDGE available. Yes, im ok with them taking two. the OL is atrocious and you gotta protect tua.

In Round 2 pick up some skill position players like Cam Akers and KJ Hamler



What I expect them to do:
5. Herbert
18. McKinney
26. Swift
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04-22-2020 , 06:26 PM
minkah was a huge failure in Miami

probably both player/coaches
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04-22-2020 , 06:43 PM
I'm not sure why you think that's the case but it isn't. Minkah was good in his age 22 season in miami (starting the year on the second team and taking over the starting role by midway through the year). Then Flores came in and couldn't decide whether to play him as a ball hawk or as someone to cheat up and help with the run. Minkah said he's fine doing either but he needs to know which so he could put on pounds (if cheating up and getting a lot of contact) or shed some (if he wanted to to as fast as possible for coverage). Flores decided that request showed that Minkah didn't understand who was in charge and shipped him out. Then Minkah continued playing well and - like most solid players - improved in his second year.

There's plenty of examples of "bad fits" working out later due to a change of scenery. The only bad fit here was a coach that's got his head so far up his own ass that he ran off a good player for asking what was expected of him. In the future, please remember how early I was on the "Flores is just the latest Mangini/Bill O Brien/Matt Patricia that thinks because they worked under the GOAT it means they know everything" train.
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04-22-2020 , 06:54 PM
eh, in the baltimore game week 1 I'd have cut him from a XFL team.

yes, the coaches completely screwed that all up
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