The biggest difficulty with evaluating mason rudolph is he rarely throws a ball vs tight coverage.

His deep ball touch/accuracy when not pressured is actually pretty good, if his guy has a step he's throwing it deep (he always looks to throw deep if he can).

He doesn't have that oh I gotta get rid of this ball and throw it away timing that you'd expect at this point.

There's just more unknowns then I hoped for when it comes to translation to the NFL level of a guy with his experience.

Rudolph is a tough evaluation, he does things you'd expect the 3 year starter Sr. QB to do wrt figuring out where to throw the ball vs the coverage, deep ball is definitely good even by NFL standards, his OL is too good and he usually doesn't throw if it's a tight window so he takes way, way too many needless sacks. That just leads to ???'s.

Rudolph's offense isn't a total joke as some scouts seem to think it is--they ran a lot of RPO's. so the comparisons to say Baylor's offense are just stupid.

So, the biggest ? for Rudolph is can he make that tight window throw and actually make it/throw the ball away instead of just eating a sack for no reason. I don't know, you don't know, nobody knows from the several games I looked at. *shrugs* (yeah you'll have to lean against b/c he mostly doesn't but he probably expected one of his guys to get open every play if he just waits).

daron payne got pushed backwards a bit too much for a guy who's supposed to be a top 15 pick but he also had more positive good plays consistently and basically dominated the two playoff games. ofc the first question is immediately--why wasn't he dominant all year?

Vea has the highest upside so I actually agree with the DT lists out there in order of Vea/Payne/Bryan I guess/hurst in that order of people I've seen but obviously what teams do with them matters even more than just saying A>B given all four bring something different to the table.

Bryan might not be for a "win now" team though at the back end of round 1 as he's *that* raw.

gettleman is going to **** around and take barkley at #2 and make him a top 5 paid rb because hes a man and likes MANBALL

If I was the defensive coordinator for Utah State I would have benched the guy who got that INT for the rest of the game for not being within 10 yards of an offensive player for the entire play.

Out of curiosity if we knew a QB had a Cutler career coming, where would be fair value to draft him? End of the 1st?

Cutler wasn't as bad as Allen in College. He played in the SEC, had a 57% completion % over 4 seasons including ~60% his final two seasons. He threw 31 TDs and 14 ints his last 2 seasons as well despite being on a **** squad.

theres a rumor floating around giants boards the browns have floated the idea to move from 4 to 2 to get barkley while giving up picks 33/35

giants would end up with 4 and the first three picks of day 2

Giants - Barkley makes way more sense if they're just trying to bait CLE and not actually take a RB at 2.

Well, you kind of defeat your own point when you talk about 4 seasons & how good his last 2 were. Allen only played 2.

Cutler's 1st 2 seasons were real bad:

		Passing
Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	TD	Int	Rate
2002	Vanderbilt	SEC	FR	QB	11	103	212	48.6	1433	6.8	5.8	10	9	112.4
2003	Vanderbilt	SEC	SO	QB	12	187	327	57.2	2347	7.2	6.5	18	13	127.7
2004	Vanderbilt	SEC	JR	QB	11	147	241	61	1844	7.7	7.5	10	5	134.8
2005	Vanderbilt	SEC	SR	QB	11	273	462	59.1	3073	6.7	6.7	21	9	126.1
Career	Vanderbilt					710	1242	57.2	8697	7	6.6	59	36	125.9

& that Y/A, AY/A is bad, too.

If the Browns trade 33 & 35 to move up 2 spots to take a guy who wouldn't even be a good pick at 4...smh.

If they want Barkley that bad, just take him at 1 and then whatever QB at 4.

But like it doesn't matter if someone was bad as a freshman if they significantly improve. And the fact that they were starting at all as a freshman does matter. Total experience and progression over time are important. Starting fewer years isn't a sign a player has "room to improve"; it's a sign it took them longer to be good enough to start.

the utah state defensive coordinator watched josh allen film tho

eh the NFL starts a lot of bad QB's too long, have to expect college to do the same. Trubisky couldn't beat out a UDFA, NFL dgaf about that.

quoting a mini-conversation from a few weeks ago as an excuse to post this highlight i found (because highlights weren't nationally available at the time). i've probably watched this clip >20 times by now and my mind still doesn't fully comprehend that open field jump cut to the left and the acceleration immediately after he makes it.

If the Giants want a RB why would they trade the pick to a team that will take the player they want? So why would Cleveland trade up if the Giants probably go QB? What am I missing, or is it lolbrowns?

He was one of the few players you pay to go see.

#23 on defense had no chance, he wasn't in great position but that might be because of Barry.

Trading two high 2s and a 1 to get an RB would be the biggest possible FU to Sashi Brown

Tremaine Edmonds still only 19

Yes...but you can't say Allen can't be Cutler because Cutler had an ok senior year.

& I think Allen didn't start as a freshman because of injury?

That's still different than breaking out / playing from a young age having a positive correlation with NFL success.

Lamar Jackson

Weaknesses--out routes he shows very poor accuracy. They say he isn't mentally there yet. Makes one WTF don't do that play a game due to never giving up once he's wrapped (and he should just eat it), subpar footwork leads to sailing balls vs pressure, thinks he's a power back and he has to stop doing that every single time.

Strengths--elite runner, makes two ridic throws a game, anticipation is pretty good, bucket throws are very good. intermediate middle throws are good. slants. More toughness as a runner than saquon barkley. (could be better as the running part than he is actually...)

I wonder if the best way to draft QB's the NFL is simply to ask the defensive coordinator who he'd least want to face and draft that guy.

That said, a NFL OC is certainly going to have to tailor his offense which you'd think "duh" but not always a thing in this league.

I can see why some of the old NFL guard aren't gonna like him much, if he never fixes his footwork he might well be too inaccurate to stick despite the dynamic ability elsewhere. Cam Newton isn't a 60% guy so he doesn't have to improve it a lot but I'd like to see some progress out of it for Lamar.

Bruce Arians loves Lamar.

He can be taught that he doesn't have to be Barry Sanders.

Regardless, I'd go on super-tilt if the Giants took him over Rosen/Darnold/Mayfield.