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12-21-2021 , 11:49 PM
DIdn't see the 2nd half but my friend said the holding call on 3rd and 12 on Seattle when LAR was at their own 10 was horrible as well. LAR drove for the TD after that and rest was history.
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12-21-2021 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I hate those underthrown balls where two players are running in stride and then the receiver abruptly stops and tries to go through the defender. Of course they always look like DPI in still photos. This one might be just because of the arm. But you can't expect the defender to just instantly stop when the receiver does.
Defender wasnt playing the ball. It's textbook dpi in this case. Though i get what you're saying generally speaking

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12-21-2021 , 11:57 PM
Playing the ball technically doesn't matter, same with turning around. But of course everyone knows turning around massively helps with the refs. It's a stupid inconsistency in the rules.
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12-22-2021 , 12:10 AM
He ran into him before the ball was delivered, I'm not sure what the issue is?

In real time, it looked close but you rewind it and that is clearly DPI

Not even close to the worst call of the season though
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12-22-2021 , 12:11 AM
"playing the ball" is actually a thing in the rulebook
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12-22-2021 , 12:26 AM
Turning around does matter. It is the difference in being pass interference or not. That’s the rule. You can not like the rule but it is the rule.

That was undeniably pass interference.
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12-22-2021 , 12:34 AM
Turning around is not in the rule book. They removed it. I've heard multiple TV refs say that turning around is not technically required, but in practice it will make a huge difference in the call.

There might be some stuff about playing the ball. But it doesn't necessarily have to apply in a situation like this.
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12-22-2021 , 12:53 AM
You have a right to the ball. If you're turned around and looking at it, the contact can be deemed coincidental or even-handed or whatever.

If you're not turned around you can't say you have a right to the ball bc you're not making any kind of play on it.
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12-22-2021 , 01:08 AM
a play on the ball, through reflection in the eye

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12-22-2021 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by qwertyu121
Defender wasnt playing the ball. It's textbook dpi in this case. Though i get what you're saying generally speaking


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12-22-2021 , 11:10 PM
NFL rules definition:

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It is pass interference by either team when any act by a player more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage significantly hinders an eligible player’s opportunity to catch the ball. Pass interference can only occur when a forward pass is thrown from behind the line of scrimmage, regardless of whether the pass is legal or illegal, or whether it crosses the line.

Examples:
  1. Contact by a player who is not playing the ball that restricts the opponent’s opportunity to make the catch;
  2. Playing through the back of an opponent in an attempt to make a play on the ball;
  3. Grabbing an opponent’s arm(s) in such a manner that restricts his opportunity to catch a pass;
  4. Extending an arm across the body of an opponent, thus restricting his ability to catch a pass, and regardless of whether the player committing such act is playing the ball;
  5. Cutting off the path of an opponent by making contact with him, without playing the ball;
  6. Hooking an opponent in an attempt to get to the ball in such a manner that it causes the opponent’s body to turn prior to the ball arriving; or
  7. Initiating contact with an opponent by shoving or pushing off, thus creating separation.

Note: If there is any question whether player contact is incidental, the ruling should be no interference.
So the Rams DB certainly committed items (1) and (3), and possibly (4).

IRT to "playing the ball" and not looking at the ball, it's obvious that not looking at the ball implies the DB is not "playing the ball". So item (1) certainly applies to DBs who are not looking at the ball but make contact with the WR (e.g. running into WR thus preventing the WR from making a catch), even though the rules do not state explicitly that a DB not turned around commits DPI. But it is almost 100% certainty that the DB not turned around and contacts the WR preventing a reception is committing DPI by rule.

I've also noticed that the new thing for DBs is to hit the WR a fraction of a second prior to the ball getting there. If the reffs are looking for clear DPI they will not see this contact, thinking that the DB timed the contact without committing interference. This technique was perfected by NWE DBs years ago in the playoffs, where reffs are even less reluctant to get involved. But I've never seen it so prevalent in the regular season like I have these recent low scoring games. Let's see how the league goes forward these next few weeks, but if it continues to be just as difficult to complete passes, unders are going to have their way.

For the record I've never seen 2 blatantly bad calls determine the outcome of a game more clearly than those calls against SEA. Call it riggage, whatever. If the reffs are looking (or not looking) for something, then they are bound to call it (or not call it).
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