NFL 2015 Draft Talk and Speculation - Page 11 - Sporting Events and Fantasy Sports

got bored, made a mock because it's fun and can't be too much worse than whatever anyone else is doing. I'm aware it's going to be hilariously wrong and mostly pointless. Reasons given, not via good things b/c I haven't watched anything of even 5 of these guys. It's in spoilers and I don't recommend reading it. Just wanted somewhere to put it on the record to pretty much lol @ experts if it somehow actually beats them.

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1. Bucs select QB Jameis Winston
Lovie has always loved quarterbacks that throw stupid interceptions. Grossman/Orton/Cutler/Collins/Hanie/McCown Lovie has been the HC of like half of the worst games ever quarterbacked in NFL history. You may argue this point; but I watched all of them (except mccown), you did not.

2. Titans select DL Leonard Williams
I watched one game and kept thinking "who's that top 5 DL bust this guy reminds me of?" Is it dorsey? maybe it's tyson jackson. I'm actually curious as to a scouting report comparison on tyson jackson vs williams right now...

3. Jaguars select LB/DE Vic Beasley
they're definitely NOT selecting gregory. I mean the jags aren't *that* dumb are they? Without watching either player I'm sure beasley's better. and the whole wisconsin line where I'm not sure they have one draftable player still beating the ever lasting crap out of nebraska. again and again

4. Raiders select WR Kevin White
Why not pick a WR that did nothing vs the TCU guy of the same name who's like half a second slower than he is in a 40 yd dash.

5. Jets select WR Amari Cooper
well rumors are jets want to overpay more denver wr's so maybe this turns into a defensive rusher?

6. Washington selects QB Marcus Mariota
b/c he's a minority will take the fanbase roughly 10 seconds to turn on him plus you get to troll the entire team by having your QB as the fastest offensive player

7. Bears take S Landon Collins
Actually a tough pick for me because it seems like the bears brass wants to hit the demolition button on the entire god damn team and I think all the defensive players left here are decent sized reaches but there will be some pass rusher in round 2 to get, except there won't be a S worth a damn at that point. Almost took kendricks instead because they need about 6 new LB's next season.

8. Falcons take EDGE Dante Fowler
atl needs to just go ol/dl the entire draft probably. Fowler only benching 19 is actually a red flag to me before tape watching but the falcons don't strike me as the type of team who know those things.

9. Giants take LT La'el Collins

NYG doesn't really draft "character concern" guys but isn't a Green-Beckham, Beckham WR duo absolutely terrifying if you have to play them? even Eli would have a hard time of incomplete passes with this duo. Yes, I know challenge accepted...

10. Rams take CB Trae Waynes
Keep pumping that D while you have no QB and it'd be ridic to draft another one here and they definitely don't need DL, OL feels ridic too.

11. Vikings select OG Brandon Scherff
as tempting as reuniting parker and teddy would be, it sounds like parker may not be one of those technical type guys and those guys struggle for awhile and sometimes don't get out of it unless they're moss or calvin level freakazoids. God help the vikes if they put scherff at tackle and kick kalil inside. That's the opposite of what their skills would suggest imo...

12. Browns select NT Danny Shelton
This pick would make logical sense because the browns run a 3-4 and struggle at run defense so there's no chance this would actually happen. (there are some who think he's only a 2 down player, but he never left the field at all in college so some of his bad plays especially late in games were due to simply being tired for good reason) [tho why did they have him hustle all the time in the first Q if he's playing the entire goddamn game... washington D is just @#$@$@#%@*( to watch on tape with that talent]

13. Saints select OLB/DE Shane Ray
probably going to pick someone to replace Galette's inevitable suspension (probably), and then not know how to utilize him b/c lol saints

14. Dolphins take LB Eric Kendricks Dolphins swung and missed badly on linebackers in free agency, so let's try it in the draft this time.

15. 49ers take DE Erik Armstead they've drafted pretty damn well as of late, so I'm probably wrong

16. Texans take Gregory, only because I don't think they know what the hell they're doing and someone at this point always drops like a stone from the top 5 in everyone's mocks when the draft actually happens. I think gregory's the one this year.

17. Chargers take OT Jake Fisher
actually wrote Eric the first time, whoops. Wanted to put fisher in the first round as someone's gonna take him there. Could easily be TJ

18. Chiefs WR Davante Parker I probably spelled this wrong, parker isn't technical from what I hear and quite frankly I'm hoping they take some burner so I can laugh because noodle arm QB with a WR who beats teams deep is just facepalm worthy of roster construction. Most likely they keep picking the guy at the senior bowl who got rave reviews among scouts who actually really really sucks (see fisher, ford). The one on one thing, is quite a bit overrated (esp for DL, they don't get that much space EVER in a real game to beat the OL).

19. Browns take Dupree
Dupree is the most mixed guy I've seen on the net, either you think he's a top 6 guy or like end of round 1/round 2 guy. He's just a not special but lots of above average things from what I read. That range is either mega bust or solid player for a long time. This is the browns tho, so we know which it is. Rumor has it they wanted Hundley to go out last year but I think he got david carr'd this season and that might be that for him and if so we'll know it b/c cle will take him.

20. Eagles take Gurley
Eagles went from having the stud RB to wtf was that--we have to seriously think about replacing him now at both RB and QB in just one season. This is why team needs imo are completely stupid, (tho understandable if you take the immediate need on two close guys on your board). Would not surprise me at all here if they felt gurley was the best on the board, some have gurley to seattle in mocks and well that's just wrong.

21. Bengals take Malcolm Brown
with Atkins never going to be what he was (ACL injuries still suck guys), think a DT is the pick here, I watched brown vs ark but the rest of his tapes were like ucla which unless he stunk up the place in that game I have less than no interest b/c of FCS level competition.

22. Steelers take Marcus Peters
they need anything new back there, anything. so many old guys.

23. Lions select Eddie Goldman
seems very likely they replace the DT's they're about to lose in FA.

24. Cardinals select Melvin Gordon
I have no idea who the Ari RB's are.

25. Panthers select TJ Clemmings OT
well an OT almost has to be a lock, they don't have any functioning offensive tackles right now. I can see a WR but Newton might die and that creates another problem

26. Ravens select Nelson Algohor WR
If a NT would fall maybe that if they're replacing ngata or as always some defensive player but WR makes sense .

27. Cowboys select Dorial Green Beckham WR
What is more terrifying, on field trying to stop him and dez, or off field trying to stop them from doing something suspension worthy?

28. Broncos select Maxx Williams TE
got to say love the name and they'll need a TE that isn't terrible if peyton comes back.

29. Colts select Shaq Thompson LB
don't think I've picked him yet and can't think of anyone absolutely stupid the colts would actually take here with this board
30. Packers select Cameron Erving C
I got stumped at trying to find a white guy. I think Erving goes in round 1 somewhere, he's got the tools to win inside (but imo not at OT, whoever in the NFL is telling him that needs to wake up).

31. Seattle selects Owamagbe Odighizuwa DE
I can't pronounce this. Need OL worse but DE will suffice.

32. Patriots select Devin Funchess TE
I doubt they actually pick him b/c of slow, but the two TE system that everyone feared once is their best shot imo.

looked at the zone reads one, not too far different tho I haven't heard of one of the guys they had in round 1 I didn't. Hopefully after going through some tape this jumbles a fair bit and I get a better sense of what teams will do (and where I feel players should go) instead of well group think crap.

Looks like I have to take a good look at Jaelen Strong.

Guess I'm not really surprised TCU players ran slow (but that slow? sheesh), I did watch Baylor vs them in that track meet, TCU D couldn't keep up like the baylor D couldn't.

No way, no how Packers draft a center with their first pick. Packers believe they have two excellent centers already. They let their starting center go in free agency in 2014 too. Also, last time the Packers drafted a white guy with their first pick was 2010.

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02-26-2015 , 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wheatrich

and in stat that made me feel old/blew my mind today.

mario williams jr is a prospect in this draft and is mario williams kid

mario williams was drafted in 2000. if the cowboys pick his kid too, Jason Witten will have been teammates of both of them.

How is this possibly true? Mario Williams is 30.

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02-26-2015 , 11:16 PM

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because it's mario edwards, not mario williams

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02-27-2015 , 03:39 AM

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you'd think I'd learn when it's time to stop posting but nope

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02-27-2015 , 03:14 PM

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i love nfl draft and mocks...... although i question often really how much info really changes, especially B4 the combine. but even after.

to me, my interest in mocks is top 5 or 6 picks and then my teams (bears and niners)....

i've read a lot about bears....... seems like shelton at NT or one of the edge rushers. i had previous seen a lot of alabama safety but seems a bit high and haven't seen much about that recently... i have also seen QB (if mariota falls or even WR)... but i think bears should really go D unless something amazing happens.

i think 49ers are drafting low enough that's a bit best player available and very general need.... also niners seem to have a lot of near-dominant defenders that are some sort of flux (smith, mcdonald, willis, bowman). i think gore is a FA too so that may factor in.... personally i'm not a fan of kapernick, especially if he's not going to pick up a ton of rushing yards (for a QB at least)

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02-28-2015 , 02:36 AM

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27. Cowboys select Dorial Green Beckham WR

I think most Dallas fans would rule this out. Arguments would be they've got Dez, a young and very productive #2, a good slot guy they're about to extend, and a 5th round outside guy they're pretty excited about. Not to mention holes throughout the defense with at least 5 starting spots up for grabs. They don't have a halfback or right tackle either...and here this guy hasn't played in a year and has character questions.

But picking down at 27 I think it's a very good possibility if he's still on the board. It would basically be the Dez decision all over again.

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02-28-2015 , 04:54 AM

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Green Beckham...pretty much has to be AJ Green + ODBJR. I'd pick such a player.
#deepanalysis

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02-28-2015 , 07:33 AM

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Giants addressing OL in the first is good

But how would you rank them? One thing the Giants love is a player's ability to play more than one position on o-line. Which first round worthy ol's can do that effectively?

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03-12-2015 , 06:38 PM

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Summary of some of the things I've watched on tape mostly bad because that's easier. Took in a couple games of some players mostly EDGE but still going through (I have a bit more written down just not enough for a scouting report of which you can find many better ones on the internet atm), most likely either doing DT or a handful of QB's next. No grades here, since everyone isn't giving out 32 first round grades I've realized round grades are stupid, there are 32 first round picks, there have to be 32 first round players by definition... Fits to teams more important than grading scales.

so far I think the best pass rusher I've seen is Shane Ray but he's a complete liability vs the run so I don't see him as a DE in the NFL. However, he can win with his explosion both inside and outside tackles so he might just be a 2 down OLB pass rush specialist player. Hughes is the go to comparison on the nets but it took him a second team before he started to get going. Some risk here for the same but he starts off with a strong way to win.

I feel like are overrated
Eli Harold
ended up viewing 3 games and he struggled to win anywhere in any of them. I don't know where or how he would win in the pros.

Melvin Gordon
his quickness is good, his open field running is good, his run straight and fall foward is good, but I keep wondering about him b/c of the following reasons

wisco very rarely throwing him the ball in games I have to suspect he sucks at it because melvin in space is great in the running game and when you can drive a semi through 90% of the holes he gets I think it's pretty tough to evaluate and we tend to overrate those players (not just trich but RB/QB have been the clear top 2 historical busts by % drafted, wisconsin RB's also historical busts). I did watch the Western Illinois game and they stuffed him so bad with FCS defenders. (17 carries 38 yards, gordon couldn't break any tackle, obviously they stacked the line but still it was a FCS team, wisco didn't get going till they used him as a decoy) (this game is not on draftbreakdown but from what I remember he couldn't break a tackle despite his jukes, this kind of reminds me of trich a little bit, most of his missed tackles were just b/c of lol players (nebraska defense anyone?)) Yes, I said the scariest comparison in RB history but at times (obviously he's much quicker agility wise than richardson so I'm just saying a trait or two not whole package) but he does some things at times that reminds me of him, he thinks he's more elusive than he actually is and trich did it too much in the NFL so it didn't work.

I'm probably terrible at evaluating RB's but I feel gordon's tape is tough to properly evaluate because 85% of his runs in these games where he gets 5+ yards before a defender gets a hand on him will never happen in the NFL. Tough for me to give first round value on a player who I feel is a RB committee player.

Abdullah can catch a ball, stands out on film because Neb's QB was terrible (how were they as good as they finished? lol B1G? No wonder Neb almost lost to a FCS team)

I'm scared if I'm drafting
Alvin Dupree
well his combine is great, scouts seem to love him, and the tape kinda doesn't. He has one pass rushing move over 3 games, run straight at QB, if someone is in way try to run outside them, if that fails um well get their hands off you then just shrug shoulders b/c the play is over. He has the burst off the line+ explosion, but he can't turn the corner (unlike ray or beasley) so he just flies by QB's in the pocket (ie they're pretty safe as all they have to do is step up once to avoid him if that's the case). I don't know how a college coaching staff is this bad or he is with technique because he doesn't have or care to do much of it. I don't think he's a fighter type either (I think I'm seeing some WIL too). Not sure why he was used so much in coverage, struggled at times to cover SEC guys. Also because he was in coverage so much, everytime he got hit he lost because he was standing up. There's so much to fix here for me so whoever drafts him hopefully has a very good plan or he's gonna bust hard. I reckon he's relatively new to the position so there's at least a chance for him. Hard to undo some habits players have. With thinking Barr would take more than a year to produce last year and being extremely wrong I'm just going to say that I feel he needs a lot of work and that I'm not qualified to do it. Supposedly he has strong work ethic (tape does not sell me on this) Generally however, the more athletic guy at EDGE; the better his chances at success in the NFL and he has that going for him. Maybe I just saw his worst games too, always possible.

In completely irrelevant news, Mariota's pro day apparently sucks. Guess he won't turn out quite the pro as the perfect pro days of Blaine Gabbert, Jarmarcus Russell, and Johnny Manziel.

have more love for
Vic Beasley, plays a little high every once in awhile but he has an elite burst off the snap and can bend the corner. Might be too aggressive with shooting lanes and vulnerable to counters; but I'd rather have this than the passive guy who sits there and gets blocked anyway *too many bears...*. I would draft him before the other EDGE rushers in this draft.

wait, is williams the best DT in this draft? There's been some dissention on the draft twitter lately.

I've got more in notes, probably won't do a full scouting report on any b/c draft breakdown just doesn't always have the games I want. (I look for competition level, if you beat some obviously inferior tackle for 3+ sacks I don't care)

sacks to me are like RBI's in baseball. A reasonable indicator to determine a better player but a completely stupid argument to defend them. We've all seen guys get sacks that someone else generated the main pressure (ie QB takes multiple steps to avoid first guy, second or third guy gets there or "a coverage sack"). Context more important.

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03-13-2015 , 02:03 AM

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a Randy Gregory writeup, not a complete report but I wrote a bit and obviously edited it and didn't care to start over so...

While I do think he's tough enough; he doesn't show the pass rushing elite traits as others in his class/isn't as athletic and I don't know if he'll ever get anything but average vs the run tho his tape vs wisconsin wasn't anywhere as bad as I expected it to be given stats. Vs the run but he gets badly ragdolled or pancaked about once a game but unlike ray he does sometimes win and make the play, it's just when he doesn't he's going to be out of the way by the OL or TE.

Definitely another player who GM and coaching staff will need to be on the same page wrt his development or he'll struggle to the top 10 pick hype if he's selected there as projected. (ok you can say this about everyone but some guys up there have an elite trait that fans will be able to at least notice, gregory may not if it goes wrong to start out) He does have rare to the sideline ability for an end player. (donovan smith vs him in 13 is just not fair, gregory vastly improved on that facet on the 14 tape but donovan appears to have the strength to compete in the NFL) Surprised me with some good bullrushes in a game, he doesn't have an elite tool but has a chance to win with everything he does and I bet that's the reason for the projection, I don't think anyone else in this class has shown the potential to win with everything at the edge position. Some of his reactions tell me his eyes are focused on the ball, which is another positive trait of his, he can see what's going on and still do what he needs to beat a tackle or whatever. (an underrated/overlooked trait for DL imo) He also has at least flashed everything else at times. He's faster than quick. (overall speed > agility/burst for him) His frame suggests it will be tough to keep the size needed to be an end so he'll likely have to go the OLB route. Gregory will give up if it appears he can't make the play. (I don't have a problem with this but some will as some only want all out every play all the time, (as gregory played nearly every play I don't mind the save the energy for other plays since NFL has more rotations due to more quality)

I'm mostly concerned with gregory about his change of direction ability to succeed in the NFL and how adding weight might make that subpar for the NFL level but he has enough positive traits that I would put his floor a bit above where some others might. I think his ceiling is just a pretty good player instead of an elite one because I don't see the elite attributes (I realize he's a projection player but I just go by what I see on the tape). I don't care about this difference if I felt a players EV was best for me to draft but many will for a possible top 10 pick and especially where he was once projected at 3rd-5th.

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03-15-2015 , 08:36 AM

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wheat, I pretty much agree with most of that.

Melvin isn't bad by any means but I think his college production is clouding people's judgement. Gurley at Wisconsin would have erased Barry Sanders records.

I have never even seen a flash of greatness in Randy Gregory. I would gladly let another team take him.

I normally wouldn't touch DGB but this is the perfect draft to take a chance on a guy with such enormous upside.

An interesting move IMO would be to draft Gurley in the late 1st and turn him into a nightmare slot receiver. He has the hands for it. His career at running back is going to be such a waste because he already has a ton of miles on him.

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03-16-2015 , 09:46 PM

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Gurley won't get past Dallas in any circumstance I'd imagine at this point. Not just the splashy fun pick but fills a need and if they don't take a RB in the draft somewhere I'll be surprised as it doesn't make any sense not to for them. He still could easily go much higher, just takes one team (tho you can say this for everyone obviously; he's the easiest to see someone actually doing it)

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03-16-2015 , 11:09 PM

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San Diego has a good chance of drafting a first round back, forgot about that. They took matthews @ 12 and nearly everyone looks better than that coming out. Might do another mock later, some of those teams certainly aren't drafting those players I mocked earlier after FA. (den isn't going for a TE, the seahawks no longer at 31, Jets don't have a spot for a WR that high now really, etc etc)

did I post about fowler? here's a very short writeup.

Fowler don't play near his attributes suggest he should (though some of that appears to be moving him around a bit). Mental aspect of the game appears to be the worst of his group by far. Those combine interviews must've been fascinating, hey um wtf were you thinking here and here and here... Lets people get into him, can't do that as a pass rusher. Mental also might be the reason he's not really quick/explosive on tape and I don't see the upside apparently everyone else does (age = 20 so I guess that's more to do with it but still far higher than I can see). He's got bust floor imo despite some saying he's the safest guy. well if I agreed with everyone this wouldn't be interesting now would it?

I'll guess Beasley/Dupree/Fowler/Gregory/Ray/Harold for edge that I've seen so far via EV calc in my head. (fowler > gregory b/c of age) (yes dupree still scares me but his upside is the highest in the class and you can argue he's got JJ Watt ceiling level (no, leonard williams does not, stop with that comp please networks, I know ratings but annoying me))

Dupree is in 20's in some mocks but that ain't happening b/c of his ceiling. Barr was still a top 10 pick in a much better draft than this.

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03-17-2015 , 01:57 AM

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so of course I ignored what I said I would do and here's another half assed scouting report. (I realize I'm clogging the topic and I'm not needle but whatever, maybe I'll use it as a baseline for the draft thread later on when people ask about if their fav team picked anyone good or not)

Denzel Perryman LB Miami (projected by mocks, late 1st/early 2nd round)

I can summarize him in four words. Great player, wrong time. I probably saw his best game as he played well vs Duke also skimmed SCAR and FSU.

He hits you hard, don't care how vulnerable you are. Tackles well, reads fine, reacts okay, reckless (in the good way), has closing speed, can get to about the numbers (not the sideline but only elite players do that),
and now the bad stuff

struggles to shed blocks from bigger players

struggles at pass rushing (blitzing consists of just making them block you, no moves or elusiveness. He'll drill your QB if you don't block him so you have to) ok he's a ILB so this isn't important but

struggles at covering more athletic players than he is (if you put him in man against a scat back you're going to have a bad time) His best coverage skill is hitting people to force incompletions which is best done in zone.

10 years ago on a good upfront defensive team he's a surefire pro bowler but these days teams are in nickel so often that most LB's to succeed in the league (ie get playing time) will either have to either cover or pass rush.

His best (only? :/ ) fit is a team with DL that will keep blockers off him so he can perform in the run game to potentially force fumbles and one that plays mostly zone for LB's so he can go to the ball and use his hitting to knock a ball loose on a TE or a back. May have to come out in nickel packages for you and if so, where can you really draft him if he's just a 2 down player for your team in the league? I think he should be an inside LB not an outside LB.

Would probably not draft if we were more of a man coverage team or a team with a DL that didn't take up blockers in the running game.

sidenote (I think he might be able to play cover 2, but not tampa 2, tampa 2 requires the MLB to run straight back a zillion yards (roughly) then use speed/instincts to make plays, he doesn't have that speed nor quickness to do that imo).

I can easily see an old school defensive coach falling for him due to the force fumble ability he has so he might get picked late in round 1 and he can succeed but will need either 4-3 zone/3-4 zone type of defensive play. (again, so I would not want him in tampa bay at MLB if he's still trying that tampa 2 stuff over there, has the traits except speed/quickness imo to pull that off) I just don't see him winning in man coverage vs any good rb/te in the pass game. (except for the teams that mostly only use a rb for dump offs) I do not see upside to him, his film is who he will be as a pro imo. (but he's already good enough to play in the NFL now for those teams schemes, if he busts most likely it was simply because square peg, round hole)

where he'll actually go
Denver in round 1 is my odds % guess (old school bend but don't break DC).

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03-18-2015 , 10:48 PM

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glad to see James O Shaughnessy TE Illinois State starting to get some love from draft twitter. (fball gameplan and now waldman's noted him) They both don't know tho he has major WIM. Single handedly kept ISU in that title game vs NDSU on his 2 TD receptions in that game that a NDSU player should've had both balls instead of him. (one after he stole it he then took it to the house making people miss). There's a chance I'd put him as the best TE in this draft. (TE class overall is weak and nothing he does will wow you on tape other than his WIM; but he's good and imo certainly should be drafted and well I'm a little biased here and likely won't get to TE tape before the draft so...)

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03-23-2015 , 07:29 PM

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alright here's quick on Jameis winston QB FSU

there's not much if anything I can say that hasn't been done elsewhere but for me

Winston's strengths
he's great at knowing his offense and where his receivers should be and are going (ie great football IQ)
his best plays are when he throws before the receiver moves and he knows where to throw it (crossers and vs man or zones)
certainly has the toughness, can take hits, does not give a **** what the score is or what happened the play before
his size can elude some rushers
his arm strength is good enough
has the leadership out of the QB position that some teams seem to value more than anything else
can make all the NFL throws, sideline to sideline
has an understanding of down/distance and what to do to convert (I know this sounds like duh but there's some guys in the league...)
already experience with pro style offense and throws

weaknesses
he gets tunnel vision at times with crossers and will throw a ball right to defensive players as a result on occasion.
I don't think he audibles much or protection calls or may struggle here, but this thought was from one play where a FS went into the box and they pretty much only do that to blitz and he still came in free for the sack.
throws can get a little off under a blitz
needs work on his footwork (but who doesn't?) (one of the results is that throws sail on him esp vs pressure, another is he sometimes resets his feet before throwing when he shouldn't (timing issue that led to a few picks that shouldn't have happened))
release is a tick slow for me
will #YOLO a throw into double deep coverage
off field stuff
sluggish at the start of games (prep issues?)
may stare at a receiver too long before throwing to him
thinks his arm is better than it is and that gets him into trouble here and there. The double edged sword of confidence.

overall a polarizing prospect who has the protypical skillset for his position and there's not 32 guys in the league who have that so someone will take him at the top of the draft. He has the IT factor teams generally want (leadership, WIM). Not optimistic that Lovie is the coach to get him success in the league tho. My guess at this stage (if only I had access to info the NFL does on him...) is that he'll end up being that guy better than free agents but you're afraid of worse but fanbase/team is frustrated they can't get over the hump with him. He's got Roeth's body type with Cutler's mindset but with just a so-so arm imo. I have no direct player comparison.

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03-26-2015 , 03:05 PM

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Whats your guys thoughts on UGA WR Chris Conley?

Watched his Arkansas highlights and he was torching the DB covering him. He got blazing speed, great athleticism, and his combine measurable were off the charts.

Any chance he can go in the late 1st round (25-32)?

Plus what I really love from him is I watch some of his media day pressers and the dude just seems like a super smart guy which would be living in the film room. You know he wont have any issues off the field with character concerns.....LOL also I think I heard while he was running his 40's at the combine that he is a huge nerd with Star Wars and created his own Star Wars fan club or something to that nature? LOLZ....just shows that he is and seems like such a chill dude that no team will have to worry about anything with him.

And plus He for sure soared up the draft boards after the combine. What was he prior to his amazing combine performance? like a mid rounder? 3rd-4th round projection? Now I think he can go as early as maybe mid 2nd round?

Jets got the 37th overall pick in the 2nd round. You think any shot if they don't take like Amari Cooper in the 1st they can go Chris Conley in 2nd? Or is 37th overall to high for him? What you guys think?

As a Jets fan If Amari Cooper is in the 1st round I would love him but we also need a solid outside pass rusher that can get to the QB without blitzing. So if we went like Beasley/Fowler Jr. in the 1st round #6 overall, and in 2nd round Chris Conley 37th overall Or if that too high then maybe trade down that pick to obtain an extra 4th rounder.....And take Conley with like the 49th overall for example....???

Thoughts? IDK i just was really impressed with him combine and I know not to go crazy over workout warriors at the combine. But he just seems like such a great kid and hell of a player on the field.....

Lets go Jets!

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03-26-2015 , 03:15 PM

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Also how is Garrett Grayson?

Are the draft experts here ITT again like they were last year? I booked it that Derek Carr was the best QB prospect last year and he was by far IMO. Sure Teddy Bridge was great but Derek Carr look like a special talent and OAK looks like they got a stud for many many many years to come.....The fact that Manziel got drafted before Carr is the biggest sham ever in the history of NFL....Johnny Football is a huge bum and I don't blame that on his drug problem or w.e is wrong with him....He just flat out sucks...This ain't the NCAA where he can just scramble out the pocket to make a play the NFL is a much much much much much faster game than the NCAA was at Texas A&M for Mr. Johnny Bust Football....Hes done IMO, Tebow 2.0

I called it that Carr would be a top 5 pick if his name was Derek Williams....Shame he was the brother of a bust, who IMO didn't get a fair shake when you get drafted to an expansion team with an OLine that is like high school varsity quality hahaha....

But anyways Garrett Grayson how he will be? Looks like a good kid not much as a strong arm as I would hope for in my QB for an NFl franchise but thoughts????

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03-26-2015 , 08:04 PM

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Haven't seen either guy but from the stuff I've read, wr is a deep class so conley should be available in the 3rd round (even lower possibly). Grayson just isn't good.

Jets most likely taking EDGE in round 1 imo, if you draft a WR it's certainly cooper in the slot with BMarsh/Decker on the outside (drafting white would make less than no sense, no spot to start day 1 at pick #6????).

Conley isn't projected on any mock to go that pick or before that I've seen; but matt waldman thinks he could go day 2.

Manziel got drafted before Teddy, like I'm not sure how it's possible one could've watched both of those tapes and went yeah manziel > teddy. It was lopsided enough with those two. Tebow got drafted in the first round, these guys are generally good at drafting but sometimes have moments of sheer WTF. Some of them just don't understand QB play and look at the off-field stuff as more important (introvert/extrovert, pro days, god knows what else), than things like can he throw a ball accurately with a 300 lb guy in his face? Spoiler alert, it's actually the latter.

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03-26-2015 , 08:06 PM

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I expect this year to be crazier than most years, last year in round 1 we were mostly arguing which stud was better than the other stud. (except lol browns and lions). This year it's arguing which definitely flawed guy is better than the other definitely flawed guy. Lots of busts, lots of who is that guy? picks, etc. Should be good for lol's.

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03-26-2015 , 08:12 PM

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better or worse than 2009 draft?

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03-26-2015 , 08:33 PM

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Are the draft experts here ITT again like they were last year? I booked it that Derek Carr was the best QB prospect last year and he was by far IMO. Sure Teddy Bridge was great but Derek Carr look like a special talent and OAK looks like they got a stud for many many many years to come.....

I called it that Carr would be a top 5 pick if his name was Derek Williams....Shame he was the brother of a bust, who IMO didn't get a fair shake when you get drafted to an expansion team with an OLine that is like high school varsity quality hahaha....

You're significantly overrating the type of season Carr had.

Looking at YPA for rookie QBs since 2000 with over 224 attempts: http://pfref.com/tiny/vRJpT Carr is among terrible company. Nobody since 2000 has had success while posting such a bad YPA.

Bridgewater on the other hand ranked 6th of 39 ranked only behind Big Ben, RG3, Ryan, Rustle, and Cam. Looking at the list from top to bottom there is some pretty strong evidence that rookie year YPA is a really worthwhile stat.

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03-26-2015 , 09:56 PM

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Gg randy gregory

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03-26-2015 , 10:10 PM

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Yea but Carr had really nothing to work with. OAK is a hell hole of the NFL. Im not syaing hes a probowler. But for a OAK QB he is more than reasonable. And Just the fact he fell to round 2 and Manziel and even Bortle went 3rd overall. I think Carr> Bortles will be couple years from now.

Teddy B. is a hell of a QB. Im just worried on his avalibity since he has that small RGIII type frame and he already had a scare last year from what I can remeber think ankle right? So for me I'd much rather have that durable thick bodied QB to stand in the pocket and let it rip.

Teddy B and Carr vs Winston and Mariota? What duo will be better rookie years and 5 years from now what duo will be better? Teddy B and Carr had very good rookie years.

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fwiw I don't like carr at all either but some people I respect opinion of do think he's a guy you can win with.

first two not even close EV wise.

Gregory's fail probably doesn't matter, NFL teams certainly knew that he was about to get kicked off nebraska for it. (Neb has a 3 strike rule and that's why he's out for the draft). They definitely knew it or they failed at their jobs. It's a good example of the kind of things NFL teams will know that we do not when these things are made differently vs the mocks.

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