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11-21-2018 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by younguns87
You know that multiple ADs make up the committee right?
Yeah and if they want the Florida guy to vote for them they scratch his back. They're also "recused from voting for OR taking part in discussions of" their team but congratulations if you believe that. C'mon, you know damn well you can't honestly look at this Florida team and think they're really "top ten" good. But that's exactly what the committee is saying with a straight face.
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11-21-2018 , 02:06 AM
I mean the right order is
11. WVU
12. Texas
13. Florida

But acting like 11 is a crime against humanity must be riggage involved is lol.

Penn st. 12 is way worse than 11. Florida
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11-21-2018 , 02:08 AM
On one hand I am going to rustled if the year UK finally beats Florida, Florida makes a NY-6 bowl over UK with the same record

On the other hand don't ****ing lose to Tennessee like that.
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11-21-2018 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Holliday
Yeah and if they want the Florida guy to vote for them they scratch his back. They're also "recused from voting for OR taking part in discussions of" their team but congratulations if you believe that. C'mon, you know damn well you can't honestly look at this Florida team and think they're really "top ten" good. But that's exactly what the committee is saying with a straight face.
Obviously not

I think we are ~20th. But the CFP isn't putting together a power ranking
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11-21-2018 , 02:32 AM
Well they must not be putting together a resume rank neither, which is why they have to be looking at Florida thinking, "They look really good--let's ignore every other criteria for them."
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11-21-2018 , 02:35 AM
Me: "I don't think the committee really cares about strength of schedule, best losses, or key wins that much. I think once you get in the same vicinity of wins/losses they just choose the bigger schools and that's because they bring in the most money which is 'best for business'. Here are some examples of the past where teams had the same record, better sos, or better losses and missed out as my supporting evidence. Additionally, I don't think 'just schedule better' works because teams like Boise scheduled better OOC and teams like TCU joined a major conference and still suffered the same fate."

Thread: LOL CONSPIRACY! MOON LANDING!

Committee: Releases Rankings

Thread: Committee has lost their minds! Florida and PSU over WVU is nuts!


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11-21-2018 , 02:37 AM
Ideally Michigan trounces Ohio State and we get one of the easier 1-4 they'll ever have. Ohio State beating Michigan could create some really interesting decisions on #4
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11-21-2018 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Holliday
Well they must not be putting together a resume rank neither, which is why they have to be looking at Florida thinking, "They look really good--let's ignore every other criteria for them."
Where do you think Florida should be according to their criteria?

And why are you not outraged at Penn St ranking
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11-21-2018 , 03:01 AM
Utah doesn't have a ranked win, 1 unranked loss(8,16)
Washington has 3 unranked losses, 1 ranked win(17)
Penn st. has 1 ranked win (24), 1 unranked loss (4,10)
Kentucky 2 ranked wins(11,18)1 unranked loss (5,21)

Florida 2 ranked wins (7,18), 1 unranked loss(5,15)

And all the 3 loss teams have close wins vs bad teams so like I don't really care about that

Pretty reasonable to rank Florida ahead of all those teams
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11-21-2018 , 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by younguns87
Where do you think Florida should be according to their criteria?

And why are you not outraged at Penn St ranking
I would probably just swap them with Utah then move West Virginia ahead of both of them. It's silly to have a 9-2 team behind two 8-3 teams after a close loss in a road conference game to a decent team (Sagarin has OK lite 29th). It's not even like Penn State and Florida's most recent losses were very long ago--it was 2 weeks, ffs and their most recent opponents were trash (evidently Rutgers would be favored by 9 over Idaho).

I would probably have Penn State ahead of Florida. I do very much mind their high ranking though. Obviously, to me, the mindshare of big ten teams is a small little rock compared to SEC where I watch nearly all the games. For all I know Penn State may actually *look like* a good team. Haven't watched them. Maybe Notre Dame does too. I'd just be guessing.
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11-21-2018 , 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by younguns87
Utah doesn't have a ranked win, 1 unranked loss(8,16)
Washington has 3 unranked losses, 1 ranked win(17)
Penn st. has 1 ranked win (24), 1 unranked loss (4,10)
Kentucky 2 ranked wins(11,18)1 unranked loss (5,21)

Florida 2 ranked wins (7,18), 1 unranked loss(5,15)

And all the 3 loss teams have close wins vs bad teams so like I don't really care about that

Pretty reasonable to rank Florida ahead of all those teams
Florida lost all of their games at home or in Jacksonville, and lost them all decisively with the last two being total blowouts. In a row.

Two of Utah's losses were on the road with the unranked coinciding with their starting QB getting injured for the season.

Washington's losses were all on the road or, ahem, Auburn in Atlanta. By a combined total of 10 points.

Penn State lost 2 of their games by a combined 5 points. Iowa may not be ranked any more but they are still top ten in Sagarin.

Kentucky also beat you head-to-head at your home.

I don't think it's reasonable to have Florida anywhere but the bottom of that list, even before we start looking at the remaining strength of schedule outside of "ranked and losses", which you'd decisively lose.

Look at Syracuse this week; badly beaten for a 3rd loss on a neutral by Committee #3 Notre Dame, fell 8 spots. Florida lost badly at home to Committee nobody Missouri, fell 4 spots. That same week Utah lost badly on the road to ASU, fell 11 spots and out of the list. It's unseemly, imo.
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11-21-2018 , 09:59 AM


Also have all books stopped posting the potential playoff matchup lines? ie Bama vs Clemson, UM, and ND?
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11-21-2018 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by younguns87
Mmmm 11. Florida

With quality wins over 7. And 18.

Maybe if WVU had better wins they'd be ranked higher

Next week 10. Florida love it
Iowa State loses @ Texas 24-10 and drops from 16 to 25.

meanwhile Kentucky loses to ****ing Tennessee 24-7, Florida loses to Mizzou by 3 TDs, and both teams drop half as far as Iowa State did for losing to Texas.

no wonder Florida has more "quality wins" than WVU
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11-21-2018 , 10:51 AM
So all this complaining over like 1-2 slots different from bcs rankings? RIGGED I TELLS YA
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11-21-2018 , 11:06 AM
So we're getting the same result as a bunch of rankings that all the rankings people said was forced to be terrible per the "no counting MOV" rules, plus the Coaches' Poll.

Good job, good effort.
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11-21-2018 , 11:45 AM
So is the committee rigged or biased or just bad? I can’t keep up with all of the complaints
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11-21-2018 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Holliday
Florida lost all of their games at home or in Jacksonville, and lost them all decisively with the last two being total blowouts. In a row.

Two of Utah's losses were on the road with the unranked coinciding with their starting QB getting injured for the season.

Washington's losses were all on the road or, ahem, Auburn in Atlanta. By a combined total of 10 points.

Penn State lost 2 of their games by a combined 5 points. Iowa may not be ranked any more but they are still top ten in Sagarin.

Kentucky also beat you head-to-head at your home.

I don't think it's reasonable to have Florida anywhere but the bottom of that list, even before we start looking at the remaining strength of schedule outside of "ranked and losses", which you'd decisively lose.

Look at Syracuse this week; badly beaten for a 3rd loss on a neutral by Committee #3 Notre Dame, fell 8 spots. Florida lost badly at home to Committee nobody Missouri, fell 4 spots. That same week Utah lost badly on the road to ASU, fell 11 spots and out of the list. It's unseemly, imo.
At what point do you acknowledge Florida beating LSU and Miss st
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11-21-2018 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicholasp27
So is the committee rigged or biased or just bad? I can’t keep up with all of the complaints


Lol **** off you’re a Bama fan you have it easy every ****ing year because you know you’ll be no. 1 and are in regardless. Every other fan base that isn’t Bama has some room to complain if they are in the hunt.
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11-21-2018 , 01:22 PM
What does my fandom have to do with the litany of conflicting complaints that people have against the committee?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
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11-21-2018 , 01:59 PM
Actually, other than the TCU/Ohio State thing a few years ago, has the committee really had questionable top 4 or top 6 final ranking? In general they are doing a pretty good job.
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11-21-2018 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ArcticKnight
Actually, other than the TCU/Ohio State thing a few years ago, has the committee really had questionable top 4 or top 6 final ranking? In general they are doing a pretty good job.
How many tough choices have they had? They ****ed up massively in one of their small chances to do so.
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11-21-2018 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicholasp27
What does my fandom have to do with the litany of conflicting complaints that people have against the committee?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
Bama fans are the worst tho.
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11-21-2018 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicholasp27
So is the committee rigged or biased or just bad? I can’t keep up with all of the complaints
I don't really know or care *why* they're wrong, just that they are and it's a problem. It certainly doesn't help that they keep sending the head of the committee out as a spokesperson each week to explain the choices they made and he keeps spouting bizarre or downright incredulous reasoning.
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11-21-2018 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by younguns87
At what point do you acknowledge Florida beating LSU and Miss st
Oh I acknowledge it. That's what gets you to 17. I do heavily discount the Mississippi State win due to both Dan Mullen having a pretty good read on the team he built and Cowbell being nearly a touchdown better in the second half of the season than the first (using adjusted YPP). Given a new coaching staff for a super-experienced team expected to be a competitor for the conference title (other people's take, not mine) seems pretty counter-intuitive to give Florida full credit for beating the current version.

I've also got Florida as going *down* by nearly a touchdown comparing first half to second, but that probably just stems from the multiple times you got routed, the Vanderbilt game that was 3 points in the 4th quarter, and the 4 point win over South Carolina. So pretty much everything since those games. But you already know they haven't looked good for a while now, although they did seem pretty good during that 17 point comeback--so that's one good quarter since the LSU game.
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11-21-2018 , 03:28 PM
WVU is 8-2, Florida is 8-3

WVU has a better strength of record

WVU has a better resume ranking

WVU is higher in Sagarin (11th vs 24th)

WVU is higher in FPI (10th vs 17th)

WVU would be favored by ~5 on a neutral field

Even the committee's dumb **** "game control" metric has WV 6th and Florida 35th

There is literally not one single metric or angle of looking at this that you could come away thinking UF > WV
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