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11-19-2018 , 12:02 AM

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Haha. BS and you know it.

I am offended by your allegation!

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11-19-2018 , 01:00 AM

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8 teams is optimal from an entertainment, competition, and practical standpoint.

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11-19-2018 , 01:02 AM

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1. Notre Dame 17.6%
2. Clemson 18.7%
3. Alabama 19.1%
4. Michigan 45.4%

5. UCF 45.8%
6. Georgia 48.6%
7. Ohio State 52.3%
8. Oklahoma 52.5%
9.Washington State 59.4%
10. LSU 65.0%
11. WVU 82.4%
12. Utah State 82.9%

GB, do you use Sagarin to build these resume rankings? Or do you have your own ratings

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11-19-2018 , 01:09 AM

#54

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ND -9.5 @ USC has to be the easiest money since bitcoin was $0.07.

Line probably closes north of 14.

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11-19-2018 , 02:41 AM

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My preference for a playoff would be 6 teams with teams 1 and 2 getting a first round bye.

I think if you get 8 teams in the playoff it will impact how teams schedule OOC (and not in a good way).. The more teams you lock in for a playoff birth the better chances of there not being games like ND/Michigan, Auburn/Washington, Texas/USC and ND/FSU.. The last two games were not as important as we thought when they were scheduled, but that is beside the point.

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11-19-2018 , 03:03 AM

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Strength of schedule
104. UCF

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11-19-2018 , 03:13 AM

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I preferred no playoff at all. And commented under many a PR bought and paid BS article promising us that schools would have to schedule better.

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11-19-2018 , 03:16 AM

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No playoffs was ****ing dumb. BCS championship game was an improvement. And 4 team playoffs was also a clear improvement. I see the arguments for 6 or 8 as well. But I'm happy we are at 4.

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11-19-2018 , 03:29 AM

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I honestly can't tell what UCF fans are mad about.

Do you want to be in the playoff discussion? Do you think you should be ranked higher? I don't really understand what the complaints are

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11-19-2018 , 05:39 AM

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UCF had a chance pre-playoff, back then they were called BYU. The AP and Harris voters could take all the factors into account that we enjoy discussing. It's quite clear from 2017 that the playoff has shrunk the field of national title eligibles to a small number of conference big dogs.

I favored the plan that had the traditional bowls played on Jan 1st and then a BCS-like or 4 team playoff the next week.

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11-19-2018 , 08:49 AM

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Gonna' try to get a weekly thread up today for the holidays.

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11-19-2018 , 09:34 AM

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No playoffs was ****ing dumb. BCS championship game was an improvement. And 4 team playoffs was also a clear improvement. I see the arguments for 6 or 8 as well. But I'm happy we are at 4.

Agree w this 100%. Love having 4 even though going to 8 would probably help my team - UGA - the most of anyone imo. Best team in the weaker division in the sec is close to a lock to make 8 but real tough to make 4.

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11-19-2018 , 09:36 AM

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I mean "Just schedule better" doesn't effect the things like 2015 defending champion and 1 loss Ohio State missing out or the p5 conferences always having someone missing out no matter what. So even if you think the magical schedule fairy could fix issues like UCF or Boise State it's still a **** system.

The thing is the magical schedule fairy doesn't fix anything. Boise State did just what was asked. "Your conference sucks so schedule better out of conference stuff and we'll talk". In 2008 they scheduled a home and home with Oregon. They won @ Oregon (#17!), went 12-0, and was told they were 9th. In 2009 they won again vs Oregon (#16!), went 12-0, and were given 6th. So they tried again in 2010 and scheduled Virginia Tech (#13) and Oregon State (#24) and then had a good team in their conference when they lost by 3 @ #19 Nevada. That's a perfectly reasonable 1 loss schedule but they were just given 10th. How about 2011? Well they went and beat Georgia (#19) @ Georgia. They had one loss that year (vs TCU who finished the regular season as #16) by 1 point. Again a totally reasonable 1 loss schedule if your told to "schedule better bro" and instead of being somewhere like 4-6 they were 8th.

That's just because it was a **** conference right? The OOC schedule just couldn't match up with the grueling week to week schedule of p5 teams! That's what they told TCU from 2008-2011 when they went a combined 47-5 including a 13-0 season on the heels of a 12-1 season. So TCU said fine. Joined the Big 12. Now we have a p5 schedule and are on even footing yeah? 2014 they schedule an OOC game against a p5 school in Minnesota, do their conference with games vs #4 Oklahoma, #5 Baylor, #15 OK State, #20 West Virginia, and #9 Kansas State. Their strength of schedule was Top 10 toughest in the country. They had 1 loss, by 3, at #5 Baylor (who ended with 1 loss). They were told that wasn't good enough either.

The "just schedule better bro" argument is obvious bull**** just said to justify why "team with a bigger following" deserves to be there more. It always has been and always will be horse****. Even if you jump through every hoop they tell you that you should have done, it will never ever be good enough. Systems rigged yo.

Scheduling 1 ranked team OOC doesn’t make up for a group of 5 conference schedule to begin with dude. UCF would need to schedule 3 P5s and 2 be ranked then we can talk.

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11-19-2018 , 09:47 AM

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Committee is very easy to figure out. Which of the teams we're debating will get higher ratings? That team is in. OSU will get more ratings than TCU. Oklahoma will get more than Iowa. Alabama will get more than Ohio State and UCF. Their goal is to make the CFB profit as much as possible. If you view every single one of their decisions since 2014 under this lens then they have picked perfectly every year. This one will be no different.

This is stupid and very wrong. Ohio State has more of a following than Alabama does. Iowa was never in discussion. Alabama was an easy decision over Ohio St.

I didn’t love Ohio St going over TCU but the 59-0 over a ranked Wisconsin is what earned them the spot. I bet you think we didn’t really land on the moon either.

You’re going to whine no matter the outcome. What makes you think an Ohio St/UGA final wouldn’t generate more viewers than Alabama/UGA?

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11-19-2018 , 10:00 AM

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Jim Halpert

Go ahead and give us a top 25 ranking of schools to generate the most viewers so you can’t change mind later. Because if Ohio St and Oklahoma both win out, the committee is taking Oklahoma even though OSU makes more money.

If Georgia beats Alabama and the last spot is between Alabama and Michigan I could see you arguing $$$ was the determining factor no matter who’s chosen. So I want to see what you believe pulls in the $$ now so you can’t go back on it later.

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11-19-2018 , 10:24 AM

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Man, so many tiebreakers out there. Some of them seem like they may have been written by British people.

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11-19-2018 , 12:38 PM

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i doubt they would take OU over OSU if records are the same. they've already shown they want the B1G over the big 12 when they took OSU over TCU. an osu that wins out will have 5 wins over ranked opponents (i think?) and an OU will have 2, both against wvu..

eta- this would be the opposite of 2014 when osu had 1 quality win and TCU had 5, and they had osu jump in from the 6 spot..

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11-19-2018 , 01:01 PM

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$50 OU gets in over OSU if they both win out

Qtb, Venmo/square cash

*offer available to anyone that has Venmo/square

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11-19-2018 , 01:17 PM

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GB, do you use Sagarin to build these resume rankings? Or do you have your own ratings

Sagarin

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Sorry If Already Posted but is it an average top 5 team, who is better than 3 and worse than 2?

Why would we sweat a 1 loss conference champion exclusion in light of the undefeated conference champion exclusion? (or that for the potential independent champion

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I just use a Sagarin rating of 95

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11-19-2018 , 01:18 PM

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WVU / Oklahoma game this weekend:

Go for it at every plausibly reasonable opportunity
Onside kick every time
Go for 2 every time

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11-19-2018 , 01:20 PM

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OU is a blue blood, who gave took UGA to OT last year. They have nothing in common with TCU/Baylor aside from conference affiliation.

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11-19-2018 , 01:36 PM

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They do not want certain conferences over each other. They take each year and evaluate everything and then make decisions. They have Oklahoma ahead of Ohio St. so idk why beating Michigan and northwestern would jump West Virginia and Texas.

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11-19-2018 , 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking

There are 65 teams that are guaranteed in the playoffs if they go undefeated and likely in if only lose one (depending on the year)

65 is not a small number of teams

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11-19-2018 , 01:53 PM

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Cause it's all a conspiracy man, haven't you heard?!?

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11-19-2018 , 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AngerPush

Just think of SECCG as the playoff quarterfinals. Win and you make the semi-finals.

Some years you are a high seed and play auburn, other years you are a low seed and play Bama.

Playoffs are close to quarterfinals now, except some years Notre Dame or Bama get a bye, this year Bama may be playing double-elimination, and the winner of some games (e.g. pac12 cg) may not get to advance and UCF and other non-power65 teams don’t get a chance to play in

But for the SEC, the SECCG is your quarterfinal; it’s just tougher than the other quarterfinals

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