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Such a horse**** end to the Michigan/Purdue game.

Matthews goes up for a layup with 6 seconds left, Mathias knocks it out of his hands. On replay, it's determined that for a frame or two, Matthews's hand was on the ball after Mathias touched it, so it's Purdue Ball.

It's a play that is never in any basketball game called Defense ball, until we can introduce frame by frame replay into it.

are they finally getting these calls right?

I've wondered for years how these balls stay in the offense's possession in these instances on steals (blocks can vary depending on how close to release the offensive player is). If you take a swipe at a ball on defense the offensive player's hand usually remains on the ball after you've already finished making contact and only once the offensive player completely loses contact with the ball is it loose.

If you've ever had a ball swiped out of your hand its immediately obvious that you generally keep contact for longer than the defensive player yet the calls ~never go that way just like you say. Even on the playground there is no argument over who's ball it is despite this being true.

No, and that's the problem. To get those calls right you would almost have to review every turnover frame by frame. Which would be ridiculous. So there is a default rule. We can disagree as to whether it would be better to give the ball to the offense or the defense in these circumstances, but either way they're not 'getting the calls right'.

At the end of the day it goes down as a good win for Purdue. If Michigan goes 11-7 in the B1G or something and doesn't get in people are going to look back at this call and be mad.

so lets talk about why the default is to let it stay with the offense then when a frame by frame analysis (could be done out of game for illustrative purposes) would yield the opposite in more instances than not. I feel pretty confident in this assertion for steals when its not a ball being dribbled and for blocks that come in the early stages of the shooting motion.

I'm not as annoyed by this... at least the defender made a good play and is getting rewarded for making the good play, and as a bonus it also happens to be correct to the letter of the law.

What about the idea of forgetting replay all together? If a loose ball before the shot goes out of bounds, it's the defenses ball regardless?



The one that bugs me more is when Player A fouls the **** out of Player B and the ball goes out of bounds off of Player B, and they replay to see who it's off of and are forced to give it to Team A.

Refs should have more unilaterality to do reasonable things in spots like that and just say it was off A because they can't retroactively call the foul. They often do this in REAL TIME, but for some reason can't do it on replays

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Maybe you're right, maybe you're not. I have no idea whether anyone has ever studied it. Not invested enough in the issue to care tbh.

I absolutely HATE that they do it in real time. Its also often very obvious that this is what they are doing as well. They really should either call a foul or give the ball to the right team.

I get that this wasnt even the pountof your post but Michigan would be in and rather comfortably were they to finish 11-7 in the B1G.

Last season 4 teams made it in from the B1G with a 11-7 or worse conference record, including 3 who went 10-8 in conference play - Michigan, NW, and Minnesota. Minnesota even got a 5 seed.

Michigan didnt have a single decent non con win last season, theyve already got a group 1 win @ Texas and a group 2 win vs UCLA.

The Duke/Pitt game has 10 freshman in the game at the same time less than 4 min in. Don’t think I’ve ever seen that before.

The B1G is so bad this year though, outside of Sparty and Purdue and (maybe) Ohio State and Michigan. If Maryland holds it together after their injury problems I'll be impressed. Minnesota won't be the same without Lynch. This feels like a 4 bid league total. Wouldn't take much to stumble and finish 5th.

Rutgers and Michigan State tied at 57 in East Lansing with a minute left looool

Rutgers up one with 49 seconds!!

MSU shook after getting the thing told by tOSU

COLO +11.5 seems good

It seems they are terrible on the road (or maybe they are not that good but seem good because road teams have trouble playing at elevation in Boulder).

My take on the Purdue/Michigan result is easily biased because I am a Purdue fan and alum. My heart was beating very rapidly Tuesday night. That being said, my feeling on this is that once you bring instant replay into play, it needs to be used consistently and in whatever fashion is possible to get the call right. Unfortunately that leads to many plays like this one, which was correctly called in the end. Trust me, Purdue has been on the opposite end of these calls several times in recent years. On its face, immediately after the deflection, I thought it was a possibility that it was out on Michigan because the ball went up and not down. PJ Thompson obviously thought the same thing as he was calling for replay right away. I also agreed with one of the previous posts that most of these situations actually are out on the offense but common sense tells the ref that it was out on the defense.

Michigan will be fine. I really like their younger wings and Wagner is a strange tough match-up for Purdue. With as weak as the middle is in the B1G, they could end up 12-6 easily.

Purdue has won 12 in a row

Of those 12, some were home blowouts over cupcakes, but the remaining are notable:
KenPom #18 Arizona by 26 on a neutral court
#37 Louisville by 9 at home
#33 Maryland by 5 @ Maryland
#59 Northwestern by 5 at home
#41 Butler by 15 on a neutral court
#26 Michigan by 1 @ Michigan

Great stretch for Purdue right now. 15-3 in the B1G should put us in the conversation for a 1 seed come 2 months from today.

Yep, that makes sense. Market > Me.

clemson / nc state ending is lit

Keatts with the ICE

anybody know what's up w/ Sparty's unis? the "MAC" logo on the front...

found this

https://www.landof10.com/michigan-st...-retro-jerseys

Sparty used to be Michigan Agricultural College.

Is this where we lol Sparty?