If Kevin Durant isn't a pure scorer I just don't know who is.

I'm not really sure what you're talking about at all at this point

I didn't say he was #2 overall. He was a rookie last year, right? I think NBA rookie stats are important here. And he was about above average for a league player.

Curry.

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how are you guys who are looking at nba stats and draft position not ranking kyrie top 3? I mean, you cant have it both ways. Either kyrie is an absolute steal in the middle of the first and the pick of the draft or these arguments against turner and a few others are absurd.

re: durant

I took him for just that. Can play him at the 2, 3, or 4 and won't have to worry about offense with my 2nd and 3rd pick unless I just want to.

His rookie stats were 10.8 Per on 48% TS%. Those are pretty mediocre numbers. He got better this year but it was marginally better.

I've always used it for players that are mainly spot up shooters (like Allen) and don't have 11 rebounds a game unlike Durant. If there is disagreement here it's just semantics.

Evan Turner rookie season

10.8 PER
.484 TS% on 17.0 USG
9.8 TRB%
13.4 AST%
99 ORtg
106 DRtg

Don't know what league that's average in. Maybe the D-League?

He's gotten better this year because he's rebounding really well and playing better D. He still can't really shoot or score.

I said Kyrie was a great pick and don't understand hate either. Same reason I picked Love and Roy.

These aren't average rookie stats in the NBA?

Watching Turner made me think he was better than he was last year I guess. Oh well.

you literally laughed at the kyrie pick last night when I told you he went in the first. his numbers arent league average either, but only because they are pretty elite rather than mediocre. sortbywhateversuitsmebecomeexpert?

average for what? all the picks? obviously they are probably average. it's really pointless to discuss average level players in this or the NBA cause on average they suck. There are 15 players on a team so the average player is the 7/8th best player on the team. When you draft #2 overall you are hoping for at worst a full time starter and at best a MVP level player.

I haven't looked @ NBA stats once til someone said Evan Turner was league average as a rookie and I couldn't help myself.

I'm drafting based on:

1. How they performed in college
2. How they'd fit on a team
3. How they'd play vs other good players

With regard to Kyrie I just tend to side with whoever had the post about him only playing like 8 games vs bad teams or whatever, I think it was aejones

Other than that I think Kyrie is great. He just didn't have enough in college for me to pick him. I can understand both sides of it. Seems like picking Kyrie is way more based on NBA results than how I'm approaching this.

People thinking Wade is a NBA-hindsight pick is lol though if they do. Wade was a legit monster in college

He played 11 games in college is why I laughed.

That said, he's obv the best PG in this thing talent wise based on those 11

eh, him or CP3

What are you talking about? I'm not using these stats to debunk Turner as good in this. I'm simply replying to someone who said he was an average NBA player as a rookie. One has nothing to do with the other.

I don't care how he's done in the NBA in a college draft. I thought he'd suck vs good competition long before he played a NBA game.

average NBA player sucks? you must have a different understanding of what it means to suck than I do.

Evan Turner is prob league average-ish this year because of rebounding and D

it's unlikely he'll ever be good offensively

anyway sorry to sidetrack with NBA stats, let's get back to the college Evan Turner

my whole point is how the **** is someone like kyrie, wall, or whatever PGs have been drafted going to guard him? If he plans to play the guy at SF then lol, but if hes the point its gonna creat all kinds of matchup hell. plus he will lock down the opposing PG or SG imo.

what i mean is what is the point in discussing average nba player. the average nba player is obviously very elite in the absolute sense with respect to basketball but in the relative sense it's pointless to really discuss. no player who is drafted especially in the top of the lottery is shooting for average nba player which is basically 3rd or 4th guy off the bench. its better to compare them to league average starter which turner is way below (2/3rd best players starting per team). the league average player technically I believe has a 15 per which Turner is pretty below. the league average rookie per is probably much lower than that b/c the success rate of rookies is pretty low. turner has had 2 pretty poor seasons for a bench guy, a #2 pick, and a player that was selected pretty high on this draft with the rules in place.

with respect to turner, obviously most pgs in this won't guard him but i doubt he guards a ton of PGs in this especially the extreme fast pgs.

Does anyone remember Kyle Orton? just read that name

all wrong
why do opposing PGs have to guard him anyway?
since when does turner completely abuse great defenders?

well, if he drafts a midget SG like curry then it kinda blows the whole matchup problem up but if you draft a guy like wade at SG its gonna be a problem if you guard turner with someone other than a pg.

turner seemed to be pretty solid at getting high percentage shots his whole career.

this is true in college when he was significantly better and more talented than almost every player he was playing against. against similar type competition to this, he hasn't been efficient at all at taking high % shots.

he's takes 81% jump shots in the nba and shooting 36% eFG% on his shots this year.