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02-09-2010 , 03:44 PM

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If the players give up non-guaranteed they'll want something in return. I say they should increase the rookie deals or atleast make a way to get paid a ton of money quicker than the current structure so if you get the next LBJ, he'll get paid like it. If you get the next bum 1st round pick you can cut him without much issue.

I can't ever recall any PA going to bat for a non-member. In fact, it's usually the first chip they give away (rookie draft slot money, age limit, etc). Not going to happen.

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02-09-2010 , 03:45 PM

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Yeah, but it's more about not being forced to lock up your non-Superstar best player to a max $$$ & term contract for fear of losing them altogether, than being able to sign Labron for life. There are way more guys in the former category than the latter.

This is a good point, as teams are often forced to give their best player the max in order to keep them (i.e. Joe Johnson after this year). However, the true max guys like LeBron are kinda underpaid so it all evens out.

I can't even imagine what LeBron would get in an open market. I would think he'd get more than A-Rod given how he has so much more of an impact on the game and is way harder to replace.

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02-09-2010 , 03:47 PM

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If it's a mistake to sign that guy for max $$ long term, then let another team make that mistake instead of you. If it's not a mistake, then do it.

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02-09-2010 , 03:48 PM

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I can't ever recall any PA going to bat for a non-member. In fact, it's usually the first chip they give away (rookie draft slot money, age limit, etc). Not going to happen.

Yeah and I don't blame them. The NFL system is a joke right now and hopefully it gets fixed.

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02-09-2010 , 03:50 PM

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If it's a mistake to sign that guy for max $$ long term, then let another team make that mistake instead of you. If it's not a mistake, then do it.

The problem is you're probably giving him a bad contract because he isn't worth it exactly, but it hurts you worse to let him go because you usually can't replace him any other way. Sort of a catch-22 situation.

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02-09-2010 , 03:51 PM

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Yeah and I don't blame them. The NFL system is a joke right now and hopefully it gets fixed.

not a chance it gets "fixed" imo.

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02-09-2010 , 03:51 PM

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You also have to pay more than the other teams because of the player's bird rights so it's more of a mistake for you and less of a mistake for the other teams.

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02-09-2010 , 03:52 PM

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If it's a mistake to sign that guy for max $$ long term, then let another team make that mistake instead of you. If it's not a mistake, then do it.

in a totally open market, this makes sense. in a market like the NBA, it's like making the lesser mistake. i'm going to say something ignorant, but i think even more so than in baseball, football, or hockey, you're not going to make up the presence of an excellent player with 3 decent players.

anyway i am always interested by CBA negotiations, so i think i'll be posting ITT a fair amount, even if i say dumb things about the NBA every so often.

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02-09-2010 , 03:53 PM

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not a chance it gets "fixed" imo.

I don't see why it wouldn't. It's a win-win for everyone aside from rookies. The current players benefit because they'll get paid more. The owners will benefit since they won't have to pay rookies ridiculous money. The fans will benefit since their teams won't have to take a big hit on a draft busts. I don't see why they wouldn't fix it.

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02-09-2010 , 03:53 PM

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Triumph, that is definitely true in basketball.

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02-09-2010 , 03:54 PM

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oic, for some reason I thought you were talking about other aspects of the NFL CBA. Yeah agree with you here.

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02-09-2010 , 03:55 PM

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You also have to pay more than the other teams because of the player's bird rights so it's more of a mistake for you and less of a mistake for the other teams.

This is a very good point that I forgot about. Unless you can work out a S&T, but those don't seem to happen very often anymore.

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02-09-2010 , 03:56 PM

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I didn't know about that bird rights thing. That's pretty lame, imo.

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02-09-2010 , 04:36 PM

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Signing for 10 years is dumb for everyone but the player if the contracts are guaranteed. Due to the way injuries are you can end up with the next Webber, Allan Houston, etc. which can severely hamper a franchise. If they are non-guaranteed that's a whole other story.

I'd like:

Hard Cap (but higher than current)
Max Length Deals (5)
Non-Guaranteed Contracts (makes for better play imo and easier to cut the fat when the players either get lazy or hurt)

The funny thing is there's already a hard cap in place, but the cap people generally refer to in the NBA is the soft cap. So why not just leave the soft cap in place and lower the hard cap a little bit from where it currently is? Seems like an easy compromise to me. Non-guaranteed contracts should absolutely not be agreed to from the players side imo, and it also makes for a much less competitive environment actually, so I'd think the small market teams would be opposed to it as well.

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02-09-2010 , 04:39 PM

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i hope it stays the same. its much more fun to play armchair gm.

also, maybe there is some sort of middle ground between the nfl style contracts and nba gauranteed type.

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02-09-2010 , 05:03 PM

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No NBA and no NFL in 2011 would pretty much be AIDS.

MLS fever to sweep across America!

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02-09-2010 , 05:04 PM

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lol soccer.

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02-09-2010 , 05:13 PM

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In before all the non-NBA regs hate on the NBA and all Threadzilla posters.

yeah lol. im 100% for the players

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02-09-2010 , 05:15 PM

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Lower player salaries pretty much guarantees Lebron's jumping ship to the Knicks next year.

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02-09-2010 , 05:33 PM

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Lower player salaries pretty much guarantees Lebron's jumping ship to Olympiakos next year.

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02-09-2010 , 05:44 PM

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If there is a lockout do the players get paid for that time if they're under contract? Or do they have something in their contract that prevents them getting paid

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02-09-2010 , 05:44 PM

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If there is a lockout do the players get paid for that time if they're under contract? Or do they have something in their contract that prevents them getting paid

I'm pretty sure NHL players did not get paid, unless they were considered injured and unable to play. For whatever that's worth.

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02-09-2010 , 05:48 PM

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The owner's are in the wrong here imo. Their demands are ludicrous and will never be met. I'm not even sure what a compromise is going to look like. A lockout is highly, highly likely.

The sports donk bill simmons made a good point about this, though: players will by and large get pwned in a lockout b/c so many of them squander their money so quickly. I bet there are a ton of dudes making 1m+ per year and living paycheck to paycheck. The only players who can financially withstand a lockout are the super duper stars like kobe and labron. And mike doleac.

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02-09-2010 , 06:09 PM

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If there is a lockout do the players get paid for that time if they're under contract? Or do they have something in their contract that prevents them getting paid

If the players got paid, what's the point?

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