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09-02-2021 , 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by nucleardonkey
Bad in what sense? From a basketball point of view can't see much wrong with it.
It's definitely a win for Capela and his agent. He was two years away from being a UFA at a position that is very deep. $23 million/year is way too much. He's a very good player but he will be past peak by then.

He was underpaid on his last deal so I'm happy for him he got the extension.
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09-02-2021 , 06:18 AM
Jwd hit the key points. This feels like a low-upside, large dowside type of move and its not clear Capela would even have the leverage to ask for 20m+/yr 2 years from now.

Using so much cap space on one of the riskiest and least productive positions is borderline reckless for a team that wants to build a championship contender around Trae AND is probably still 3 years out from a real shot. This doesn't seem particular wise for a GM.
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09-02-2021 , 11:22 AM
Paul Millsap Agrees To Deal With Nets
SEP 2, 2021 9:36 AM


Paul Millsap has agreed to a deal with the Brooklyn Nets. Millsap will sign for the veteran minimum with Brooklyn, as that's all the Nets have to offer.

Millsap had several suitors among playoff contenders, including the Golden State Warriors, LA Clippers and Chicago Bulls. The 15-year veteran will bring additional frontcourt depth to the Nets. Millsap will team with Blake Griffin and up-and-coming young center Nic Claxton in Brooklyn's big man rotation.

Last season, Millsap transitioned to coming off the bench for the Denver Nuggets. He averaged 8.9 points and 4.7 rebounds in 20.8 minutes per game. That was the lowest amount of playing time Millsap has had since he was a second-year player with the Utah Jazz.

In effect, Millsap and Jeff Green traded places this offseason. Green played for the Nets last year and signed with the Denver Nuggets this offseason.

SHAMS CHARANIA/THE ATHLETIC
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09-02-2021 , 11:35 AM
Atlanta setting themselves up to be the Utah of the East, imo - which honestly is a good goal.
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09-02-2021 , 11:54 AM
lol NBA
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09-02-2021 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by GTO2.0
Atlanta setting themselves up to be the Utah of the East, imo - which honestly is a good goal.
I mean, this is where I was at this point last year:

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Originally Posted by TJ Eckleburg12
Do the Hawks have a path forward to relevance, or am I getting high on my own supply with all this time off from seeing them?

Getting past the franchise-shattering decision to pass on Luka (ugh), we have Trae, who can score and create, but will always be limited defensively.

So we bring in Capela for rim protection, who can run with tempo, to pair with another bouncy young big in John Collins.

We draft De'Andre Hunter, who was old coming out but was probably the most NBA-ready wing defender in that draft.

I'm not really sold on Huerter as Klay 2.0, but he and Reddish have shown occasional flashes. Is there any reason for optimism that they could develop into useful role players, or maybe more?

So I still haven't forgiven the franchise for choosing Trae over Luka, but if you're going to build around Trae, it seems like all the roster moves and team construction after that soul-sucking decision attempts to maximize and build around Trae's strengths, while covering for his limitations.

If you need 2 or 3 superstars to win a title, the hardest step is going from 0 to 1. Does anyone think that can be Trae, or anyone else on the roster?
Let's play "fun with posts from last year's thread!"

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Originally Posted by All-InMcLovin
Can they be a 5th-6th seed? Yes.

Do you consider that relevant? I have no idea.
+10000 TZ points for correctly picking the Hawks' playoff seed

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Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
Can't imagine that the Hawks are that relevant any time soon. They may sneak into the 7th/8th seed in the next two or three seasons. But in the East that's not relevant.

For the next few years, 76ers, Bucks, Celtics, Nets, Toronto and Heat are definitely going to be better.

Can't see Trae being the best player on a championship team.
Booooooooooo

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Originally Posted by tarheels2222
Unfortunately, they gave that up when they traded Luka before he ever stepped on the court.
All I see is a noted playoff CHOKER, vs a team constructed around strengths that fits together

Spoiler:
Yes I'm aware of who's the betting favorite for MVP, and the meteoric career trajectory Luka is on


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Originally Posted by tchaz
Obviously anyone not taking Luka is a fireable error. Doesn't matter what the rest of the roster is.

Imo, the only possible path the Hawks have right now is (i) quite long and (ii) through Collins. Trae has to get traded and build the team around Collins .. for 2024/2025.

That's a very uncertain path, because I'm not convinced Collins will be a key-stone of a highly competitive team .. but that's your best bet right now. (Same as Frank is for the Knicks.)

* When I say "build the team around" I definitely do not expect Collins to be the MVP of the team/conference/league .. just that that player is the anchor.
People can say what they want about Trae, I (now) like that he's been doubted every step of the way, including by me.

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Originally Posted by GeoffRas22
I think people itt are selling the Hawks short. Trae/Huerter/Reddish/Hunter/Collins/Capela is a solid 6 that brings versatility in lineup construction and is incredibly young. We probably know what Capela is, but the other 5 all have paths to improvement on both ends. Trae's defensive ceiling is low, but he's literally been one of the worst defenders in the league his first two seasons. He can get better.

The Hawks are never going to be an elite team in the classic way with two superstars and role players. But I do see a path to being a 2014 Pacers/2015 Hawks/2016-2018 Raptors/2019 Blazers-like team. And as the league balances out (which it feels well on the path to), that type of team has as good a chance as its ever had.
+INFINITY TZ points, this is basically exactly what's happened

...And since it's only fair, if we're looking at hot sports takes from 18+ months ago,

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Originally Posted by TJ Eckleburg12
Yeah... so basically not relevant unless something major changes

It irks me that Trae's 99th percentile career outcome would be "almost-Damian Lillard with worse defense"

This was known on draft day. And we'd be ecstatic if he even turned out that good.

And as much as I enjoy rooting for Dame, if he's your best player, you're never getting out of the 2nd round of the West.
I think I was right AND I was wrong here.

Maybe/maybe not Trae reaches his ceiling, but I think the Hawks' roster fits better than any of Dame's Portland teams did
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09-02-2021 , 02:30 PM
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+10000 TZ points for correctly picking the Hawks' playoff seed


CAW CAW!

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09-02-2021 , 02:40 PM
Also reportedly Ant-Man has grown to 6'6 from 6'4.

Watch out NBA, the Wolf Pack is going to be on the Attack!
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09-02-2021 , 03:27 PM
Atlanta definitely out performed my expectations.

Still don't think Trae can be a No 1 on a Championship team.
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09-02-2021 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
Atlanta definitely out performed my expectations.

Still don't think Trae can be a No 1 on a Championship team.

Trae can (and will) certainly get better. So yes, yes he can.
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09-02-2021 , 04:35 PM


people sleepin on C's.

if...a big if...if Rob and everyone healthy...all a fan can ask for in the preseason...some hope. i got some hope. think the C's flying under the radar.
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09-02-2021 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by anatta


people sleepin on C's.

if...a big if...if Rob and everyone healthy...all a fan can ask for in the preseason...some hope. i got some hope. think the C's flying under the radar.

Knicks / Celtics ECF

Kemba’s revenge as Knicks make the Finals and lose to the Lakers in 6!
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09-02-2021 , 04:45 PM
C's losing in ECF, that is making it to ECF, while not likely, more likely than most would think imo. C's odds behind bucks, nets, 76ers, heat, and Atl. think they have the upside chance or whatever, plus they been there before so playoff experience.

still they got to get by Bucks or Nets before that, since they are pretty obvious 1 and 2. or 2 and 1. (and of course all the rounds before that...so yeah, not likely but not out of the question like a typical 6th best team going in)
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09-02-2021 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by anatta
C's losing in ECF, that is making it to ECF, while not likely, more likely than most would think imo. C's odds behind bucks, nets, 76ers, heat, and Atl. think they have the upside chance or whatever, plus they been there before so playoff experience.

still they got to get by Bucks or Nets before that, since they are pretty obvious 1 and 2. or 2 and 1. (and of course all the rounds before that...so yeah, not likely but not out of the question like a typical 6th best team going in)

Plus they don’t have the playoff underachieving Brad Stevens as coach anymore!
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09-02-2021 , 05:00 PM
Sometimes he overachieved. I do rate it as a plus that he is off the bench. That said, I like him in the background pulling the strings. So far so good anyways. I don't doubt his bb IQ or his work ethic. Probably easy for other GM's to talk to him at this point, no bad blood.
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09-02-2021 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by anatta
Sometimes he overachieved. I do rate it as a plus that he is off the bench. That said, I like him in the background pulling the strings. So far so good anyways. I don't doubt his bb IQ or his work ethic. Probably easy for other GM's to talk to him at this point, no bad blood.

Brad is like a well respected friendly neighborhood church chaplain compared to the snake oil salesman Ainge had become around the league.
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09-02-2021 , 05:15 PM
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Brad is like a well respected friendly neighborhood church chaplain
That's his vibe alright. A bit creepy but idk...
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09-02-2021 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by anatta


people sleepin on C's.

if...a big if...if Rob and everyone healthy...all a fan can ask for in the preseason...some hope. i got some hope. think the C's flying under the radar.
Tatum plays too much like Kobe in an era where efficiency is key + not being anywhere near as good as Kobe either. Too much egos and selfish play in the Celtics for me to root for them, they badly need a guy like Ben Simmons to run the offense before i take them seriously.
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09-02-2021 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
Atlanta definitely out performed my expectations.

Still don't think Trae can be a No 1 on a Championship team.
I don't see why he couldn't be?

Just his size?
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09-02-2021 , 07:45 PM
Mamba Mentality is a cancer
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09-02-2021 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
Atlanta definitely out performed my expectations.

Still don't think Trae can be a No 1 on a Championship team.
Definitely agree with the first sentence. And probably the second.
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09-02-2021 , 08:20 PM
Tatum's got some room for improvement. Covid lingered with him. Still he got better. 40% career 3 and FT up to 87%. Looks like he is getting more size. FTA only 5.3 per. Let him get get that to 7 or more like other stars. He can do learn to do that as he gets bigger. And finish through contact. That's an easy 30 ppg. 23 years old...his rebs and asst up each year...more size...30 8 and 6 this year.

I wouldn't judge the C's by last year. They had a lot of issues. So many different lineups. And a team full of non-NBA guys getting big mins. We'll see. Maybe he and J. Brown don't fit. Maybe this new coach will be good. Brad seemed to quit on the team. And was a weirdo.

Last edited by anatta; 09-02-2021 at 08:33 PM.
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09-02-2021 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by anatta
Tatum's got some room for improvement. Covid lingered with him. Still he got better. 40% career 3 and FT up to 87%. Looks like he is getting more size. FTA only 5.3 per. Let him get get that to 7 or more like other stars. He can do learn to do that as he gets bigger. And finish through contact. That's an easy 30 ppg. 23 years old...his rebs and asst up each year...more size...30 8 and 6 this year.

I wouldn't judge the C's by last year. They had a lot of issues. So many different lineups. And a team full of non-NBA guys getting big mins. We'll see. Maybe he and J. Brown don't fit. Maybe this new coach will be good. Brad seemed to quit on the team. And was a weirdo.
Now this is some diamond sharp wisdom!

Tatum has a game that he can definitely unlock and UNLEASH on the league!
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09-02-2021 , 09:36 PM
back on my BS now that the Dynasty Draft making McLovin a mod is over

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09-02-2021 , 10:51 PM
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back on my BS now that the Dynasty Draft making McLovin a mod is over


Wholesome Mod at your service!
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