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View Poll Results: who rang?
Los Angeles Lakers
17 35.42%
Brooklyn Nets
6 12.50%
Milwaukee Bucks
3 6.25%
Los Angeles Clippers
4 8.33%
Boston Celtics
2 4.17%
Philadelphia 76ers
0 0%
Miami Heat
0 0%
Denver Nuggets
4 8.33%
Dallas Mavericks
6 12.50%
other (shoot your shot)
6 12.50%

06-20-2021 , 01:47 PM
Bruno Fernando suspended for the Hawks - hope Nate wasn't saving him for G7
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06-20-2021 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
Good post captain

And



+1
If Lebron put up the same performance as Durant with the same result y'all would melt down.

Likewise Gianni's would get a ton of hate.

In other words:

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Originally Posted by candybar
Lots of people were waiting for the Bucks to lose so that they could push these narratives further, but I suspect that those same people who were going to try to use this result in a very close series to push narratives are going to completely ignore the result, now that it's incompatible with those narratives.
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06-20-2021 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by businessdude
Bruno Fernando suspended for the Hawks - hope Nate wasn't saving him for G7
Oh no ez win for 76ers losing such a star player and embiid lost a nice trip to Vegas guess he has to bet 35k on himself today to win it back
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06-20-2021 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sailorsaint
If Harris shoots 40% or better from the arc during the series, Brooklyn's waiting for the winner of Atlanta/Philadelphia.

We can throw all kinds of stats around. Brooklyn needed Harris and he didn't come through. It doesn't make him a bad human being.

I got no dog in this fight; I was pulling for Milwaukee (sorry, McLovin) like they were the Boston Celtics.
It's all good. Brooklyn was likely fuc.ked in the next round anyway.
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06-20-2021 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by candybar
Sure but the point is that you could say this about any close series. If player X, who happened to underperform in the series, didn't underperform, they would've won. 3 games were decided in the last minute - any small thing could've changed the outcome of this series.

So, you agree that Harris' under-performance, not random player X, was an issue in this series, not random series Y - which is my point.

Harris' averaged 7ppg after game 2. Once the need for him to contribute increased, he went backwards.

Bottom line: Harris hurt Brooklyn. That's all I'm saying and I don't see how it's arguable. It's not like I'm encouraging Brooklynites to burn his jersey.
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06-20-2021 , 02:41 PM
Candybar:lebron::Jordan:trainwreckog
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06-20-2021 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by NotReddBoiler
He also has another player entering the league in 2 years who has his same skillset, but with slightly better dimensions and athleticism, who could make him seem diminished, especially if that player ends up with more titles.

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06-20-2021 , 03:18 PM
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Harden look 100% to me, same old 100% choke artist
Not sure. He usually has a dozen or so hellbent drives to the hoop, and hardly any last few games. I missed some of the 1Q last night and he was already 7-7 from FT when I tuned in so maybe those were drives, I don't know. But god how overrated he seems when he's not doing his primary value thing: the Pete Maravich Show.
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06-20-2021 , 03:33 PM
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Candybar:lebron::Jordan:trainwreckog
What an embarrassingly awful take. Giannis is a bigger threat to Lebron's legacy than KD is. KD is near the end of his prime and has never been better than Lebron in the eyes of the public. He has zero chance to overtake Lebron and him being seen as the best player in the league for the first time as he nears 33, only as Lebron is about to turn 37, would only help Lebron's legacy. Giannis on the other hand has a legitimate shot at entering the GOAT debate. And I like Giannis a lot better than I like either Lebron anyway.
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06-20-2021 , 03:40 PM
Meh, if KD had of chipped this year and won a couple more, people would have used hindsight to say he was actually better than LeBron since 2017.

Much like they did in 2016 with LeBron over Curry when Curry was winning MVPs and LeBron won when down 3-1.
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06-20-2021 , 03:41 PM
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Also, just from like a data science perspective, when people say stuff like " I happen to believe that he's <40% in ultra high-leverage situations right now though because it's clearly in his head. I don't think I've seen someone look as terrified at the FT line as Ben did late in game 5, or maybe I have a bad memory." it is almost always wrong. Our brains overfit to small data sets way too hard, and then weave narratives in a backwards looking way to explain them. And then when those narratives end up being wrong, we either forget about it, or adjust the narrative.

Again like, I see it too, I feel like it must be true, but you look at the data on stuff like this and it just isn't. Sometimes Ben Simmons goes out there and misses a bunch of FTs and everybody very loudly explodes about it and it's front page headlines and everybody goes on and on about how right they were, and it's the talk of sports media for weeks, and then sometimes he goes out there and makes like 8 out of 12 and people just kinda forget about it and focus on the next shiny object instead

i.e. PG is the biggest choker in the NBA, until this week when he played he best games of his career with everything on the line, or Clemson's college football team being such an overrated joke and always choking against terrible teams that there was literally a term called "Clempsoning" used to describe it, until they started obliterating everybody and winning multiple championships
Great series of posts on Ben Simmons btw - it's insane to me that people could think like this at all (i.e. Ben Simmons is a sub-40% FT shooter in high-leverage situations), but it's possible I spend far too much time looking at data and have too little empathy for people who don't.
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06-20-2021 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by nucleardonkey
Some of you are ignoring that Durant hit the game winning three at the buzzer, just his foot was 2 cm too far forward.
Looked like he was very aware of the line and splayed out trying to get behind it as much as he could without going totally off balance and compromising the shot. Since they were down 2 that was the play. Amazing performance. I know better but did Jordan or James have a comparable to 49-32-48 last three games of a close series, or 7-gamer???
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06-20-2021 , 03:42 PM
I'm rooting for Ayton to have a BIG series!

Let's go SUNS!

Who are you rooting for Michael Malone?
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06-20-2021 , 03:43 PM
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Shooting is a game of inches to begin with though. Like, you don't get to say, I only missed my shot by an inch. Also, KD did this exact thing again at the end of OT, so it's harder to blame this on luck. With that said, he would've had a much better game in this universe - he was great overall even with his terrible performance in OT, so if you remove that and upgrade his game-tying shot with a game-winning shot, I think that's an all-time performance.
I'm not saying it's a game of luck and inches.

I'm saying guys like you make up a whole narrative about so and so is or is not the goat based on a game he might as well have won. It's other overreach of the analysis relative to the evidence that i'm getting at.
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06-20-2021 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
Yeah that was tragic. You could tell from his post-shot reaction that he really was trying to shoot a 3.

Them's the breaks.

Basketball, like Life is a game of inches centimeters.
Durant was a man about it after the game too.
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06-20-2021 , 03:49 PM
Durant replacing Bird on my first team all-time starting line-up. Now:

Magic, Curry, Jordan, Olajuwon, Durant. (Bird and James and KAJ photoed out.)


Pick a team to beat me.

(Bird, James, KAJ, Isaiah/Oscar, Reggie Miller ??)

Not sure this is even a meaningful debate anymore because five 3-point shooters beat a classic team it seems.

Last edited by FellaGaga-52; 06-20-2021 at 04:03 PM.
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06-20-2021 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
Meh, if KD had of chipped this year and won a couple more, people would have used hindsight to say he was actually better than LeBron since 2017.
Sure people would say stuff like this, but those would be mostly from the same people who already believe this.

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Much like they did in 2016 with LeBron over Curry when Curry was winning MVPs and LeBron won when down 3-1.
Again, most people who were saying this were the same people who already believed that Lebron was better than Curry. People who genuinely thought Curry had clearly overtaken Lebron as the best player were going on about injuries and stuff.

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I'm saying guys like you make up a whole narrative about so and so is or is not the goat based on a game he might as well have won. It's other overreach of the analysis relative to the evidence that i'm getting at.
You should pay more attention because I'm doing the exact opposite. I'm saying there is no grand narrative to be had here and was just warning against hyperbolic assessments of the game. I already conceded that Kevin Durant was great, just not as impressive as his high scoring total would suggest. And the ridiculous narratives are almost entirely in the opposite direction - in a conference semifinals where KD and Giannis were roughly as good as each other and both performed not far from expectation, we saw no end of narratives around how you can't win with Giannis as the best player, while many people proclaimed KD as the best player and wondered if he should be ranked higher in the all-time ranking.

Also, didn't you go on about Westbrook and how KD should have a bunch more rings after KD's career game? Maybe try to follow your own advice about about not overreaching relative to the evidence.

Last edited by candybar; 06-20-2021 at 03:59 PM.
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06-20-2021 , 03:56 PM
I don't know if this specific multiverse can handle a Finals MVP Paul George.
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06-20-2021 , 03:56 PM
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I thought the main reason for this was that Jeff Green was dealing with an injury? Btw, in terms of the overall talent, the Nets weren't deep, but Harden looked reasonable in Games 6/7 and Blake Griffin was very good in this series - he played at a borderline all-star level and certainly looked better than Jrue Holiday, despite some limitations. The Bucks were deeper but even with all the injuries, the Nets generally had a better top-3 than the Bucks (Kyrie >> Middleton > Hobbled Harden).
Yeah, I guess Green reaggravated and also Middleton's gm 6 played a role.

Even if other guys played OK, obviously KD had to initiate the lions share of their offense with how limited Harden was. Green/Blake's offense just came off KD gravity/playmaking.
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06-20-2021 , 04:01 PM
PSA: Rick & Morty Season 5 premiere is tonight at Midnight on Adult Swim!
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06-20-2021 , 04:04 PM
This doesn't feel like the conference finals at all lol
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06-20-2021 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
Not sure. He usually has a dozen or so hellbent drives to the hoop, and hardly any last few games. I missed some of the 1Q last night and he was already 7-7 from FT when I tuned in so maybe those were drives, I don't know. But god how overrated he seems when he's not doing his primary value thing: the Pete Maravich Show.
u missing my message, he obv wasnt 100% healthy, im just saying hes a choke artist in high leverage games
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06-20-2021 , 04:13 PM
Finals MVP Boogie!
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06-20-2021 , 04:14 PM
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I don't know if this specific multiverse can handle a Finals MVP Paul George.
Who do you think would be the best for the game? I have soft spots for CP3 (not because I like him that much but because I think he's the most deserving of a title and the narrative around him not being able to win is kind of annoying) and Giannis (I think he may be the most likable superstar in the game right now) among the remaining players, but I think Trae Young leading the underdog Hawks to their first championship in 60+ years is the best timeline for the game. It really sets up the narrative for the future and it's going to get haters really mad.
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06-20-2021 , 04:14 PM
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PSA: Rick & Morty Season 5 premiere is tonight at Midnight on Adult Swim!
i watch the first 3 season where can i watch the 4th online? thanks 4 psa rick n morty is awesome
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