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Originally Posted by tarheeljks
as for nuggs players, think you are just full on homering. jamal murray and donovan mitchell had pretty similar scoring efficiency this season. murray also is pretty weak off the dribble so he would look terrible on the jazz imo (i like murray fwiw). you're talking about increasing the usg of beasley/morris by more than 50% (closer to 100%). maybe they can do that and still be somewhat efficient, but probably not? most players cannot. most players can't even be average. if they can malone is ****ing up b/c denver seems to have a big hole wrt reliable perimeter creation. like i saw they were running an inverted 1-5 pnr. that's neat and speaks to jokic's skills, but also speaks to the skills of the ball handlers
edit: i'd be pretty interested to see some stats on murray's shot quality on his good nights vs bad nights. seems he is a bit like klay in that he is make or miss in his own right a lot
Murray's efficiency
this year wasn't great, but we're talking about offensive efficiency overall, which includes turnovers. Going back to college Murray has had two good efficiency years whereas DM has had none. DM is definitely better at ball-handling and getting to the rim, but as is the case for say him and Malik Beasley, what if instead of getting to the rim and being the least efficient player at it like Donovan, they simply pulled up from 3 every time? Or pulled up from 2 where they were both elite? Sure the EFG% would be lower, but if they are turning it over far less would it make a difference?
My point wasn't to say my guys are better, it's more to say that measuring the greatness or even goodness of DM is hard because he gets (imo) a little too much credit for simply taking thirstier shots than he should given his abilities, and if you take players who are actually good at the "bad shots" that DM takes, then there might not be a difference in how efficient they can make an offense.
For example yes Monte Morris isn't a prolific scorer, but he's one of the very best with the floater and money from midrange whilst being a 40+ C&S guy.. More importantly he has a historically high A/TO rate going back to college. If they red-line a player like him and just have him take floaters or pull-ups when Rudy is covered, does the dip in EFG but never turning the ball over even things out? What if they take a guy like Malik and rather than have him run PnR just run DHOs and take thirsty 3's or drive to the hoop where he finished at an elite rate?
We'll never know, but I still think DM gets a lot of credit for doing the things that other guys simply aren't allowed to. We all want to give credit to high usage/low efficiency guys, but in reality they just don't win big across any era.