Fair enough, if that's all you meant then we're in agreement, I definitely don't think he's done a good job in the slightest. I just didn't like the "(assets now) - (assets then)" math, because of how it ignored the multiple years of contending, which naturally "uses up" assets.

Is there a case in any league where a team has squandered so many top flight assets in such a short period of time and ended up with contention but relative disappointment in comparison to how much was expected of them?

Bills losing 4 SBs.
I'm thinking the Braves in the 90s--they did end up with 1 title though.
Seawawks the past few years only ending up with 1 title and 2 SB appearances.
Magic with Shaq/Penny.
Sacto with Vlade/Peja/Webber.

There are definitely others but 3 HOF players in their potential peak and ending up with 1 finals appearance, a few more WCFs seems. Hard to imagine Presti doing worse things than he did. It's amazing how good Presit ran for a few years and how poor he managed the insane assets he had.

I don't think you can say teams like the Braves or Seahawks disappointed. The Seahawks especially, defensive-centric teams have a short shelf life in the NFL. And the Braves play baseball which is a variance fest.

That Sacto team gets overrated because everyone remembers game 6 with the horrible officiating and them giving the prime Lakers all they could handle but they were only a contender for 2-3 years really. Webber got hurt the next year and they were kinda done as contenders after that. And Bibby got overrated because Shaq was terrible at covering the screen roll (same reason Billups got overrated after '04 finals)

Magic with Shaq/Penny is legit.

Football is hard cause there is so much variance, I can't really recall too many "teams of the future" in football that fell flat. Cincy in '05-06 had that vibe/feel and they faded. Colts/Luck as well but they didn't really have assets, just had Andrew Luck.

The Nash/Amare Suns is legit. Had Nash/Johnson/Amare/Marion then Raja Bell/Diaw/Barbosa and the league was pretty watered down at that point before guys started changing teams more. Ran bad with Amare injury in '06, suspension in '07, Marion was traded for Shaq in '08 and the rest is history.

Rockets is another legit NBA 1. Had Yao, TMac, Artest, Battier, Scola, Brooks. Lowry off the bench. TMac/Yao kept getting hurt. By the time they got Artest they never got to play a playoff series with all 3, rest is history.

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Hawks have a great QB too to go along with their D.

GBP only winning 1 title with Rodgers seems like it's a disappointment but I blame a lot of that on Fat Mike.

Rivers/Brees and SD never even getting to a SB is pretty ridiculous especially when they had LDT in his prime. They made 1 AFCC game in those years of being very good.

Rams getting only 1 title/2 SB appearances with Warner/Faulk/Holt/Bruce/Pace seems going low as well. Seems like the Rams wrote off Warner too quickly for Bulger.

Yeah, LTD and Rivers only really had 1 year together tho where they were anywhere near their primes. By '08 LTD was done, in '06 Rivers was only in his 1st year starting.

In '07, the undefeated Patriots existed. AFC was loaded then with NE/Pitt/Indy. Although they lost to the Jets in '04 in a game they blew and '05 missed the playoffs somehow (despite beating the undefeated Colts)

But yeah, they did have tons of assets. Gates was the best TE in the NFL then as well.

Probably not. Crazier still is that I am 90% sure Presti will keep his job for the foreseeable future as he rides the ship farther farther ashore.

Another good team is Portland circa '08-09....They were like the internet darling team before bball twitter/internet was a thing. I think Simmons called them the Portland Internet's at one point.

Roy, Oden, LMA, Fernandez, Outlaw, Webster, had some foreigners stashed

this is what i want to see

Knicks coach candidates list down to 3 names

BUD, FIZ, BLATT

Yay they did it right

I'm happy with any of those and my order of preference is probably as you listed them

Yup I agree with that order. Blatt maybe has a higher ceiling than Fiz but also seems to have a sort of polarizing personality that, some % of the time, could set us back. We should be all in on BUD though.

Look at how much success has had with inflated max Harrison Barnes and how much it hurt the 73 win Warriors

There aren’t many situations when you can replace Harrison with the second best player in the league. Obviously it’s an extreme example.

Blatt was terrible. So strange that people have forgotten that.

Why is Blatt considered terrible?

He was 30-11 when he got fired. He won 67% of games, albeit with a very good squad and took the GSW to 6 despite Kyrie/Love being out for basically the entire finals. While I don't think he's elite, why is he considered terrible?

Seriously tho, how in the hell does LOLBlatt have slappies? They replaced him with Ty fricking Lue and had a massive immediate improvement

Why am I a slappy? I just want to know why he's terrible. Lue is freaking terrible. He won 66% of his games his first season vs near 75% for Blatt in the regular season and Lue ran good in the playoffs. I don't think it was his mastermind in how they beat the Warriors, he likely was just following Lebron's orders.

I really have no idea who this Utah assistant is that PHX just hired as HC

Blatt wasn't even smart enough to do this which is why LeBron called for his head

Waiting on Bud to Bucks to happen. It neeeds to happen.
I am a Bulls fan.

holy **** Jamal Crawful to opt out!!

he openly complained about playing for Thibs and not getting enough minutes.

Cory Jospeh opts in. Probably on about what he'd get anywhere else, reckon he coulda gotten the same money on a few more years tho. Just loving being a Pacer obv

I like Joseph and think he is worth 8m but they need more shooting off the bench, not the best fit playing next to Lance or Dipo.

Don't know if the 8 could be used better on something else for Indy, but it is possible.

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