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03-24-2018 , 11:55 PM
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03-25-2018 , 12:48 AM
Ricky Rubio has more 30 point games than Wiggins and Teague combined.
Ricky Rubio has 5x more 10 rebound games than Wiggins and Teague combined.
What a mistake.
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03-25-2018 , 01:13 AM
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03-25-2018 , 01:15 AM
While we're on the subject of Hinkie, I think everyone would agree that he should quit while he is ahead as far as his newfound glory/vindication goes. He was basically a celeb at the Sloan Conference this year.

If he went back to the NBA, there is just no way he is going to get those type of trades again. Something like that can only happen once. I read that he said in his speech that he planned on moving on from bball. Probably would be the right decision.
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03-25-2018 , 01:51 AM
He flew too close to the sun, like Icarus.

RIP HINKIE
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03-25-2018 , 01:53 AM


What does that even mean?
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03-25-2018 , 03:01 AM
It means that Fultz = Kawhi.

I always knew that he would equal one of the best players in the league someday!
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03-25-2018 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
While we're on the subject of Hinkie, I think everyone would agree that he should quit while he is ahead as far as his newfound glory/vindication goes. He was basically a celeb at the Sloan Conference this year.

If he went back to the NBA, there is just no way he is going to get those type of trades again. Something like that can only happen once. I read that he said in his speech that he planned on moving on from bball. Probably would be the right decision.
He wants to come back in an ideal world. Where it’s the right situation with the right ownership group. The problem is it will be very hard to find that. The Bucks are a team who are going to have a very tricky 2-3 years to navigate with Blesodoe & Middleton being free agents next year and Jabari being a RFA this year. They could really use Hinkie.
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03-25-2018 , 10:52 AM
Do you like Hinkie in a situation where negotiating with free agents is very important? How would he do if he were made the Lakers GM right now, with the team hoping to make a splash in free agency this summer?

If Hinkie makes it back to the NBA, I'd like to see him run a team with enough on its roster that the Process 2.0 isn't the best option.
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03-25-2018 , 02:22 PM
Anyone could have done what Hinkie did and it would have been difficult to do it worse than Hinkie did it
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03-25-2018 , 02:31 PM
Nah, he got down into the weeds with some of those trades.
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03-25-2018 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TingsRgunagetGROSS
Anyone could have done what Hinkie did and it would have been difficult to do it worse than Hinkie did it
This is a really bad take. He created so much value out of nothing. He ran pretty badly with draft picks he acquired via trades (Lakers, Heat, Thunder picks). He turned taking on like $16 million in salary into jumping from 5 to 3 AND Sacramento's unprotected 1st next year. That is one of the most valuable picks that has been traded in recent memory.

He acquired so many 2nds out of thin air that Bryan Colangelo doesn't know how to get rid of them in a league where 2nds have never been more valuable. Hell, there was not much action at the deadline because teams were hoarding their second round picks.

I would appreciate it if you could explain what he should have done better (without hindsight) besides the Okafor pick. Which, I will add, was the consensus pick. I know 2+2 hated it.

I should point out that he had his hands tied early on in Okafor's rookie year and reportedly had a trade lined up to send him to the Celtics but Colangelo/Ownership vetoed it. Who knows what his plan with Okafor was - but, I do think he deserves criticism for it.

Although, I do think we give too much credit for successful draft picks and too much criticism for bad picks. I'd rather hire a GM based on their trade history than based on their draft history.

The truth is that what he was doing (with hindsight) looks fairly obvious and simple to an outsider. But, he was an assassin at negotiating and planning ahead so he'd maximize his leverage in every situation. Give him credit for consistently making teams overpay. It was because he read the market, new other teams' incentives/pressure points and extracted every ounce of value from them.

I hate to say it because it's good to listen and learn from all viewpoints but Hinkie is a great litmus test for whether I respect your opinion. Not just basketball opinion but your opinion in general.

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03-25-2018 , 02:47 PM
He has a nothing voice but Ryan Ruocco is second only to Joel Meyers in pbp. I really love the way he calls a game.

Both those guys are the closest thing to being able to run a one-man booth.

Marv actually could (re: Vin-like stories) but he misses so much now.
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03-25-2018 , 03:20 PM
LeGoat. So good
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03-25-2018 , 03:57 PM
Spurs getting worked by some young legs with bounce in Milwaukee. Was surprised Milwaukee was a 2 point dog at home. Bucks beat them by 7 in Nov in SA. Teams were equally rested both that game and this.

Giannis status was questionable but that was the line at tip (or 1.5).
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03-25-2018 , 04:17 PM
Here come the Spurs. They're running a 2-3.
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03-25-2018 , 05:15 PM
5 games for the cavs. and now irving dinged. I think lebron takes it down this year. warriors will be beat up from the tough west and Im just gonna take a shot and guess that curry or durant misses the finals. draymond is a headcase and will be nutso by that point in time.

goat got it.
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03-25-2018 , 05:29 PM
GOAT? had to GOAT just to sneak past the Nets. Let's not go crazy.
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03-25-2018 , 05:34 PM
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This is a really bad take. He created so much value out of nothing. He ran pretty badly with draft picks he acquired via trades (Lakers, Heat, Thunder picks). He turned taking on like $16 million in salary into jumping from 5 to 3 AND Sacramento's unprotected 1st next year. That is one of the most valuable picks that has been traded in recent memory.

He acquired so many 2nds out of thin air that Bryan Colangelo doesn't know how to get rid of them in a league where 2nds have never been more valuable. Hell, there was not much action at the deadline because teams were hoarding their second round picks.

I would appreciate it if you could explain what he should have done better (without hindsight) besides the Okafor pick. Which, I will add, was the consensus pick. I know 2+2 hated it.

I should point out that he had his hands tied early on in Okafor's rookie year and reportedly had a trade lined up to send him to the Celtics but Colangelo/Ownership vetoed it. Who knows what his plan with Okafor was - but, I do think he deserves criticism for it.

Although, I do think we give too much credit for successful draft picks and too much criticism for bad picks. I'd rather hire a GM based on their trade history than based on their draft history.

The truth is that what he was doing (with hindsight) looks fairly obvious and simple to an outsider. But, he was an assassin at negotiating and planning ahead so he'd maximize his leverage in every situation. Give him credit for consistently making teams overpay. It was because he read the market, new other teams' incentives/pressure points and extracted every ounce of value from them.

I hate to say it because it's good to listen and learn from all viewpoints but Hinkie is a great litmus test for whether I respect your opinion. Not just basketball opinion but your opinion in general.
I give him credit for being willing to acquire draft picks and to part with guys like MCW, Jrue Holiday, and Thad Young in trades. I approve of his willingness to place a positive value on second round picks. His high draft picks tend to be consensus picks, so he doesn't get much credit there because most people would draft the same guys. We never got to see him draft in the mid-to-late first round where you often have a lot of options and no obvious choice.

I think he went too far in filling out the roster with D-League-level players. My idea for filling out a rebuilding roster is to bring in some defense-first veterans so that you can establish a defensive system and get young players to buy into your system before they can develop a sense of entitlement to playing time. Ideally, you sign those veterans to reasonable deals so you can flip them to contenders for more second-round picks.

I don't know if I believe that he burned bridges with agents to the point that it is possible he created future problems is signing veterans to fill out the bench when the team was ready to contend, but I believe it is possible. Maybe he was stockpiling all those second-round picks because he knew he would need them to get the role players who wouldn't sign with him.

Where does Hinkie rank on the list of GMs you would hire for the following situations, assuming that their current GM dies in a car crash and there is an opening:
1. Build a team around Anthony Davis that would make him want to re-sign with the Pelicans, with ownership that will absolutely refuse to trade him.
2. Get two max free agents to sign with the Lakers and make them an instant title contender.
3. Rebuild Charlotte on the fly without an extended tank period.
4. Make Seadood an obnoxiously happy Nuggets fan, brimming with justified optimism, over the next three seasons.
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03-25-2018 , 05:44 PM
spurs offense has been LMA post up everytime i've watched this game
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03-25-2018 , 05:57 PM
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Spurs getting worked by some young legs with bounce in Milwaukee. Was surprised Milwaukee was a 2 point dog at home. Bucks beat them by 7 in Nov in SA. Teams were equally rested both that game and this.

Giannis status was questionable but that was the line at tip (or 1.5).
Spurs D in the starting lineup had been off the charts good since going to the SlowMo at the 4 lineup. Blew out Minn and Washington at home.

They've had more drastic home/road splits than other teams in the league but not surprised they were favored really. Bucks just haven't been playing well since the ASB. Giving 45 mins a game to Brogdon/Delly over Terry/Brown/whoever is going to make them a lot better I think.
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03-25-2018 , 06:03 PM
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I give him credit for being willing to acquire draft picks and to part with guys like MCW, Jrue Holiday, and Thad Young in trades. I approve of his willingness to place a positive value on second round picks. His high draft picks tend to be consensus picks, so he doesn't get much credit there because most people would draft the same guys. We never got to see him draft in the mid-to-late first round where you often have a lot of options and no obvious choice.

I think he went too far in filling out the roster with D-League-level players. My idea for filling out a rebuilding roster is to bring in some defense-first veterans so that you can establish a defensive system and get young players to buy into your system before they can develop a sense of entitlement to playing time. Ideally, you sign those veterans to reasonable deals so you can flip them to contenders for more second-round picks.

I don't know if I believe that he burned bridges with agents to the point that it is possible he created future problems is signing veterans to fill out the bench when the team was ready to contend, but I believe it is possible. Maybe he was stockpiling all those second-round picks because he knew he would need them to get the role players who wouldn't sign with him.

Where does Hinkie rank on the list of GMs you would hire for the following situations, assuming that their current GM dies in a car crash and there is an opening:
1. Build a team around Anthony Davis that would make him want to re-sign with the Pelicans, with ownership that will absolutely refuse to trade him.
2. Get two max free agents to sign with the Lakers and make them an instant title contender.
3. Rebuild Charlotte on the fly without an extended tank period.
4. Make Seadood an obnoxiously happy Nuggets fan, brimming with justified optimism, over the next three seasons.

I've said I think he should quit while ahead (unless he just wants to get paid to run an NBA team which is cool too) but c'mon, he was ripping teams off left and right. It was really impressive how he was able to stockpile assets. That Kings deal in particular was a huge joke.

He just wouldn't be able to get trades like that anymore as that inefficiency has largely been fixed. Teams value picks/long-term planning much more than they did when he got the job all the way back in 2013. Which is basically an eternity.
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03-25-2018 , 06:13 PM
Let's not overestimate NBA GM's. It only took them a few decades to figure out what I had figured out in 2k when I was like 11 (i.e. spread the floor/no mid range). There is always a fish at the table.

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03-25-2018 , 06:26 PM
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03-25-2018 , 06:34 PM
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GOAT? had to GOAT just to sneak past the Nets. Let's not go crazy.
wtf u talkin about? you mean in like 08? I mean, I wouldnt call it a goat series but it was pretty good and that nets team was good too. prime kidd carter rjeff and mikki moore put up a big time series.

https://www.basketball-reference.com...cavaliers.html
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