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01-03-2018 , 11:07 PM
Always fun seeing the Gerald Greens Michael Beasleys and Demar DeRozans of the world get BUCKETS
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01-03-2018 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by kidcolin
Dinwiddie is sick.

Traveling really needs to be a point of emphasis. It's getting ridiculous.
I thought it actually was supposed to be this season?
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01-03-2018 , 11:14 PM
Does Lue sit on a high chair or something?
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01-03-2018 , 11:24 PM
It's been a great game but the Warriors will still win by more than 10
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01-03-2018 , 11:37 PM
In before seadood tells us how much better Gary Harris is than Devin booker
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01-03-2018 , 11:44 PM
Well....
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01-03-2018 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by westhoff
In before seadood tells us how much better Gary Harris is than Devin booker
He’s 3rd in REAL plus-minus among SGs
Booker’s 24th
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01-04-2018 , 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by C-Viggity
What? There's a prominent one on this very page, and most Raps fans of the casual sort are insane DDR slappies
Really? A slappy? I thought he was a net negative player on the Raps until about 2015/2016. Only in the past week or two do I think he has a case to be considered better than Lowry. In that thread where we had to rank players on a 1-10 scale I was a 7 or an 8- think I went with 8 because I knew everyone else would put him at a 6 or so, but unsure. I said he was in the 20-25 range (correctly loling at his 36th ranking-many here thought he wasn't top 50), I was vocal in his support mainly because almost everyone else in threadzilla had a very incorrect opinion on him. I think he's fun to watch and a great player to cheer for.

Because I disagree with Deebo haters doesn't make me a slappy.

edit: I responded before reading ClarkNasty's post where he made my point in fewer words.
2nd edit: I called him a sure fire HOF'r as hyperbole, but I did think that if he continued on his career progression of getting better every year for a couple more years he would have a legit shot at the HOF. I don't think I ever called him top 10, maybe referred to him as potentially being top 10 in MVP voting. If I did it was as a clear exaggeration in response to the hate he receives.

Last edited by bigt2k4; 01-04-2018 at 12:59 AM.
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01-04-2018 , 01:29 AM
DDR seems like a fave to make the HOF right?

Either way he’s balling right now. 35 pts, 6 assists and 5/9 3p tonight. Apparently he’s taking min 300 3 pointers in practice per day.

Delon Wright with career highs 25 pts and 13 boards. He’s so tall and long for a guard. Think he could be special. And to think he had to fight his way out of junior college.
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01-04-2018 , 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by westhoff
In before seadood tells us how much better Gary Harris is than Devin booker
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Originally Posted by Heroball
He’s 3rd in REAL plus-minus among SGs
Booker’s 24th
I'm a pretty big Booker convert, he's doing amazing things with not a lot of room to operate and he's insanely young. Gary's been awesome though and I think he may be a top 5 SG now that Harden is a PG.
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01-04-2018 , 04:01 AM
The Lakers have been getting rekt lately. I wonder what's missing...
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01-04-2018 , 04:09 AM
I can’t quite put my finger on it, but it just looks like they are need to play with some Balls out there.
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01-04-2018 , 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
I'm a pretty big Booker convert, he's doing amazing things with not a lot of room to operate and he's insanely young. Gary's been awesome though and I think he may be a top 5 SG now that Harden is a PG.
Right now you surely can't have him above JimmyB*, Klay, Oladipo or CJ. DDR obv super polarising but he's better too. Is he better than Middleton? I guess maybe I dunno. I feel like I'm missing another obvious one but maybe not. Oh wait yea, Beal. I dunno I guess top 5ish not that far off

*I guess he kinda plays SF now but he's more of a natural SG IMO. If you get to call Harden a PG despite CP3 being there to 'push' him one position down, I think you have to call Jimmy a SG despite the same happening with Wade/Wiggins in recent times.
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01-04-2018 , 05:23 AM
gary harris had 36 on 17 shots tonight, there have been 4 more games of at least 36 points on at most 17 shots this season. the list: steph curry (2x, both vs memphis), kevin love (might've gotten a few more shots if they passed it to him after the first quarter), and... KYLE 'best young Lakers prospect' KUZMA
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01-04-2018 , 05:31 AM
IDK I kinda think he's right in the Beal/CJ tier. Better defensively than both by most metrics, and I'm not sure how much worse he is offensively. Obviously he's not carrying this high usage atm, but in the games where Jokic/Sap have been out he's done just that.

The production is not quite there, but I think that's partially a function of Denver's egalitarian system more than what he's been capable of. Could be wrong though.
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01-04-2018 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Banzai-
Right now you surely can't have him above JimmyB*, Klay, Oladipo or CJ. DDR obv super polarising but he's better too. Is he better than Middleton? I guess maybe I dunno. I feel like I'm missing another obvious one but maybe not. Oh wait yea, Beal. I dunno I guess top 5ish not that far off

*I guess he kinda plays SF now but he's more of a natural SG IMO. If you get to call Harden a PG despite CP3 being there to 'push' him one position down, I think you have to call Jimmy a SG despite the same happening with Wade/Wiggins in recent times.
SG and SF is the same position. They are wings and nobody competent build a roster making differences between those 2 positions.

Good undersized SG by old standards are all shifting to the pg position
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01-04-2018 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by guivre1408
SG and SF is the same position. They are wings and nobody competent build a roster making differences between those 2 positions.

Good undersized SG by old standards are all shifting to the pg position
I think there's quite a bit of difference between SGs and SF/PFs.
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01-04-2018 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
The Lakers have been getting rekt lately. I wonder what's missing...
I will admit, playing Lonzo starter's minutes is less harmful than playing Corey Brewer 25mpg.
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01-04-2018 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
Really? A slappy? I thought he was a net negative player on the Raps until about 2015/2016. Only in the past week or two do I think he has a case to be considered better than Lowry. In that thread where we had to rank players on a 1-10 scale I was a 7 or an 8- think I went with 8 because I knew everyone else would put him at a 6 or so, but unsure. I said he was in the 20-25 range (correctly loling at his 36th ranking-many here thought he wasn't top 50), I was vocal in his support mainly because almost everyone else in threadzilla had a very incorrect opinion on him. I think he's fun to watch and a great player to cheer for.

Because I disagree with Deebo haters doesn't make me a slappy.

edit: I responded before reading ClarkNasty's post where he made my point in fewer words.
2nd edit: I called him a sure fire HOF'r as hyperbole, but I did think that if he continued on his career progression of getting better every year for a couple more years he would have a legit shot at the HOF. I don't think I ever called him top 10, maybe referred to him as potentially being top 10 in MVP voting. If I did it was as a clear exaggeration in response to the hate he receives.
This is a lie and easily disproved using post search. You had him as an all-star level player and had him ranked above much better SGs (at the time) as early as 2015.

Where I will give you credit is you called Derozan improving stuff he was bad at because he was a sick worker, which has actually happened, this is by far the best year of his career and he's been very impressive. The problem is you started from way too high of a baseline since you had DDR as an allstar when he actually was a negative in 2015. Either way he has been very good so far this year, particularly on offense. Not quite as good as GaryHarrisGOAT but still very nice and his 3p shooting improvement deserves props for sure.
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01-04-2018 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
I think there's quite a bit of difference between SGs and SF/PFs.
No, a SF can swing either direction, as a SG could swing to 1 or 3. It's not SG vs SF/PF.

There are few guys who are just a SG (Redick comes to mind). Just as there are getting to be fewer guys who can only play PF (it's getting nearly non-existent).

Normally your 2-4 should be able to play two positions. If you draft a guy like Ryan Anderson in one of our drafts, the point becomes glaringly obvious when constructing 8 man rotations.
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01-04-2018 , 11:52 AM
https://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...r-Kyrie-Irving

Irving on the spurs and LMA/Green with Lebron would of been interesting. Cavs took the better deal overall obv.
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01-04-2018 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Question for Cavs superfans. I've only watched a couple of Cavs games this year. Is LeBron just running good or has he materially improved at age 32?

I would have thought the latter was impossible, especially for a guy who was already the best player in the world.

The improved 3PT% has to be run good, right?
And just like that he's back down to 38%.

Regressing 2 tha mean.
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01-04-2018 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Question for Cavs superfans. I've only watched a couple of Cavs games this year. Is LeBron just running good or has he materially improved at age 32?

I would have thought the latter was impossible, especially for a guy who was already the best player in the world.

The improved 3PT% has to be run good, right?
hes the best player of all time. its not run good. hes just that good.
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01-04-2018 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DodgerIrish
No, a SF can swing either direction, as a SG could swing to 1 or 3. It's not SG vs SF/PF.

There are few guys who are just a SG (Redick comes to mind). Just as there are getting to be fewer guys who can only play PF (it's getting nearly non-existent).

Normally your 2-4 should be able to play two positions. If you draft a guy like Ryan Anderson in one of our drafts, the point becomes glaringly obvious when constructing 8 man rotations.
I've come around to the Brad Stevens idea that there are really just three positions: bigs, wings, and ball handers. A pure SG is just a guy who doesn't have the playmaking to be a ball-handler and lacks the ability to guard bigger wings. A SG who can score but can't guard bigger wings, can't guard wings his own size or smaller, and can't handle the ball well enough to function as a secondary playmaker might not be as valuable as someone who can solidly defend against wings of all sizes and is a positive offensive player.
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01-04-2018 , 03:46 PM
Correct, same as 4s who don't have the quickness to play the 3 or the size and/or athleticism to rim defend at 5.

Same as 2s tho, if they can shoot well enough you find room for them. You just don't want to pay a ton for them due to their limited positional flexibility.
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