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Whoops, figured I missed someone.

Thinking more about why he had Wilt at #9, I'd guess

7. Russell
6. Olajuwon
5. Duncan
4. Shaq
3. Jordan
2. Kareem
1. LeBron

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03-20-2018 , 08:56 AM

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Not sure the Nugs are out of it, Pelicans remaining schedule is very brutal.

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03-20-2018 , 09:09 AM

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yes but their best player can play on both sides of the ball

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03-20-2018 , 09:16 AM

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and congrats to the knicks for locking the 9th pick last night

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03-20-2018 , 09:16 AM

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But is he leading all centers in RPM ?

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03-20-2018 , 10:36 AM

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Bill Simmons: “the blazers being 100-1 is ridiculous - their true odds are around 30 or 40-1. Also, Bill Simmons: “the blazers probably lose the warriors series 19/20 times but I still like their title odds.”

Even if they were 100% to win round 1, 40% against the rockets, and 50% against the EAST they would be 1% to title. (The rockets odds are definitely low and they are probably a dog to the east champion.

For a guy who talks about gambling all the time he still doesn’t know what he is talking about.

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03-20-2018 , 11:04 AM

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There is a bit of a silver lining for the Pelicans in that they get the Warriors in the 80th game of the year amd it's likely they'll have nothing to really play for except maybe home court vs the Raptors, which I can't imagine is more valuable than ensuring health.

The Jazz and Thunder also get them toward the end of the year, will be interesting seeing what Kerr does. Them tanking or going full throttle in their last game against the Jazz could very well determine their first round opponent.

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03-20-2018 , 11:24 AM

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Nah, Bill is CLEARLY right, and you don't know what you're talking about. OBVIOUSLY the Blazers' chances by round are:

Round 1: 100%
Round 2: 5%
Conf Finals: 70-80%
Finals: 70-80%

That's just, like, common sense, bruh.

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03-20-2018 , 11:26 AM

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Without speaking of Woyas and Rockets. Portland odds against OKC or Utah are quite low. Playoffs PG + Russell or Rudy without any super small lineup is really bad for them

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03-20-2018 , 11:31 AM

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Is rwb good in the playoffs?

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03-20-2018 , 11:37 AM

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Yeah I've been following this. KG at #8 is cool (and apparently he could have been even higher). Any predictions on the order of the last seven? It's possible that Jordan isn't #1.

Given how the author computes and focuses on "career above replacement", I think it's >50% that he has LeBron #1.

Interesting that he said depending on how the 2018 playoffs go, Curry could jump from #32 to "low twenties".

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03-20-2018 , 11:42 AM

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Received from seadude promptly and with class for our season long bets (thanks for not pulling a cvig).

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03-20-2018 , 11:45 AM

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ESPN did a top 20 most dominant athletes of this last 20 years. Bron is two, Tiger one, Peyton is third....Messi 11th, Serena some how 12th, Christiano 14th and Brady is some how 20th.

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03-20-2018 , 12:00 PM

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ESPN did a top 20 most dominant athletes of this last 20 years. Bron is two, Tiger one, Peyton is third....Messi 11th, Serena some how 12th, Christiano 14th and Brady is some how 20th.

that's a clown list, bro.

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03-20-2018 , 12:02 PM

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Lol Tiger Woods, just because you started your career early doesnt mean most dominant

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03-20-2018 , 12:04 PM

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Can't wait for Russ and Melo to start chucking up 20 threes a game between them in the playoffs

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03-20-2018 , 12:05 PM

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WHat a terrible list

Espn WOAT confirmed

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03-20-2018 , 12:08 PM

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I'd figured you guys would love to hate the list.......

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03-20-2018 , 12:33 PM

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ESPN did a top 20 most dominant athletes of this last 20 years. Bron is two, Tiger one, Peyton is third....Messi 11th, Serena some how 12th, Christiano 14th and Brady is some how 20th.

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that's a clown list, bro.

Story checks out.

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03-20-2018 , 12:41 PM

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Obv such a list is going to depend heavily on your definition of "Dominance". As with MVP, people's interpretations or ways they measure it will differ. This is how ESPN measured it:

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Methodology

We used our unpatented five-step process to determine the most dominant athletes of the past 20 years. First we looked at the top league in every sport that has global annual revenues of $100 million or more and for which there are reliable annual overall rankings or ratings of individual athletes for all or most of the past 20 years. Then we rated those sports' athletes in each of the past 20 regular seasons by the best single performance metric available, adjusted these ratings to normalize athletes' scores in each sport across time, narrowed our focus to the top four athletes each year in every sport, then adjusted the data again to put these players, across sports, on a common baseline. Then we added up the results to achieve this list, in which one "dominance share" equals one standard deviation of performance by an athlete beyond the top four players in his or her sport for one season.

Metrics

MLB: Wins above replacement (WAR), according to FanGraphs; NBA: Value above replacement player (VORP), according to Basketball-Reference.com; NFL: Defense-adjusted yards above replacement (DYAR), according to Football Outsiders; NHL: Goals vs. threshold (GVT), according to Hockey Prospectus; WNBA: Win shares, according to Basketball-Reference.com; ATP, Formula One, WTA: Tour or championship points; LPGA, NASCAR, PGA: Prize earnings; FIFA, International Cricket Council, World Rugby: Player of the year voting; Boxing, MMA: ESPN, The Ring and FightMatrix pound-for-pound rankings; Olympic track and field: Track & Field News rankings

Cliffs: They basically just compared WAR, VORP, DYAR, etc, made some bad adjustments, and voila...bad list!

Sidenote: They didn't even measure the NBA and the WNBA using the same metric, lol.

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03-20-2018 , 12:51 PM

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It's probably because the WNBA part of B-ref doesn't have VORP...

Also how do you compare Prize Earnings to other metrics? What a garbled mess. I would have rather they just used a panel to figure this out then that.

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03-20-2018 , 12:53 PM

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Yup. A panel would probably also be super lol, depending on who the panelists were, but perhaps less lol than a 1-metric list using terrible adjustments.

Re: your Prize Earnings vs other metrics question, they're just using standard deviations above the other top 4 players.

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03-20-2018 , 12:56 PM

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Based on popular opinion I'd have Bron/Brady/Messi/Ronaldo/Floyd/Bolt as some sort of top tier maybe including Serena. Can't even comment on athletes like Lauren Jackson, Felix or Marta.

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03-20-2018 , 01:40 PM

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Is rwb good in the playoffs?

The answer depends on how much you apply his team's performances when he is off the court onto him. He did outscore the GOAT team if you recall, outplaying the only ever unanimous MVP

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