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With the Philly swap of the pick, I think they wanted to hold onto Cousins for another 3 months because it would be embarrassing to just have to give a top 3 pick to Philly.

It is possible that and the new arena were part of the delay.

Not bad, imo. Sixers seem unlikely to get more than a single mid-round first for Okafor.

The "rush to trade" reason was what nate Duncan thought after the trade broke.

Yes, i've listened to some podcasts featuring some people close to the Kings organisation and they were all saying that.

Although it was more along the lines of 'Vivek thinks Buddy Hield has got all-star/curry potential'. Apparently Vivek was the only GM attending the Buddy Hield workouts.

Also as someone said on one of them pods recently if you have to rush a deal because you're afraid of your owner changing his mind it's never a good sign for your organization

Okafor rumors everywhere. No idea how credible most of it is, but I've seen rumors about the Lakers, Kings, Pacers and Bulls.

Do the Kings even have any more picks they're allowed to send the 76ers? Could they just turn around and ship the Pelicans pick? That would be the most hilarious **** of all time imo.

The 2nd round pick hoarding is the most unique and interesting part of the process to me. Like everyone basically agrees that getting a bunch of high lotto picks is good, by I can't think of an example of a team stockpiling this many seconds. This kind of stuff is demonstrably awesome in the NFL and I think baseball to a lesser degree, and it will be cool to see how it plays out in the NBA with smaller more top heavy rosters.

Am I wrong in thinking that the worst possible outcome is just using all the picks? Too bad hinkie is not around because it seems like there is a lot of value there but takes a lot more planning and strategy to unlock it than a normal one time deal.

You are correct. You don't want to use (all of) those picks. They have value on the trade market.

Looks like Bulls are trying to move Mirotic for a 1st rounder to then use that 1st to land Okafor..little do they know Mirotic is hot garbage in regards to value atm

I got this feeling Thibs gonna be fleeced on the Rose deal.

Like Rose for Rubio + Shabazz essentially

I'd use that glut of 2nds as often as I could to target players I want but might not get in the draft.

Picking at the #3 and #10 spots this year? Maybe package the #10 and some seconds to move up to #8 or #7 and grab your guy. Repeat as necessary - they have many opportunities to do this because they have five first round picks in the next three years. Just move up over and over and get the guys you want. And as detailed above, most of the second round picks are very early second round picks and thus have some non-zero value in EV terms.

Shouldn't they just be trying to use those picks to get more first rounders? Like trade four early seconds for two late firsts then trade those late firsts (like 23-28) for a mid first (like 14-18) then package that mid first + 1 or 2 seconds to get to wherever they need to be a few picks higher (like 10-14) or trade that plus their high first to move up 1-2 spots to take whoever they want specifically. Or even get to the mid-first round twice then try to package like picks 11 and 14 for the 4th or 5th pick.

I used this chart and discounted their values slightly.

Based on that idea you could trade 8 seconds for the 3-7th pick and then keep 6 seconds yourself. Or you could use 5 or 6 seconds to get to around the 9th or 10th pick.

You don't have any interest in JV? I'm not even sure I'd like Raps trading him straight up for Drummond (given warts / contract).

The Celtics tried to trade 3 1sts to move up in that range & failed. Teams don't value picks unless that pick is on the clock & the guy they want is there. They'd be more likely to get a future 1st from a dumb team who just has to have the 33rd pick cuz Random Scrub is available.

2nds get packaged with late firsts to move up to a slighty better late first pretty often. Like 27 and 38 will get you 22 or 23 type moves if the team picking earlier isn't in love with anyone available.

The longer today goes without trades the more I'm thinking a star level player is on the move and is the first domino halting everything

Random updates that may or may not be something:
Dallas held bogut and deron out of practice. Two most likely to be traded
Rubio is likely on the move. Has been shopped all seasoning finally getting offers. Rose is talked about but I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being Reggie Jackson going to the twolves.
Bucks are quiet
Atlanta quiet after ilyasova trade
Kings looking to give away afflalo. Expect him to be moved potentially to a team wanting to reach the floor in a small deal
Okc and Bulls appear to be in talks around gibson/Mirotic or McDermott.
Celtics I feel like will be quieter than people want unless they get a star. Pg13 only committing to stay with pacers or Lakers long term bring that down to only jimmy Butler really. I don't think Butler going anywhere
Brook Lopez chatter has been quiet. I got a feeling he could be the first domino type of player and nets busy on the phones instead of chirping to media.
Okafor likely to be moved but sixers losing value every minute

Lettuce trade!!!

you guys would rather watch:

basketball

or

the trade wire

****in nerds

Gonna go on a rampage if Brandon knight is still a sun in 4 hours.

Knight value super low and Suns still think he has some appears to be the problem.

Wouldn't surprise me if it takes a 3 team trade to move him.

I was one of those people in disbelief TJ McConnell was playing major minutes in the NBA and thought it was some sort of joke to sabatoge the team and tank again. But after watching quite a few games he has been legitimately good. There was a stretch where he was playing like a top 12 pg in the league.

Obviously no one wants him starting long term, but he's definitely proven he belongs in the NBA as a bench guy somewhere, which is something I never thought possible. He's better than Delle

Amick just tweeted knight can be had for a high second rounder. If you're like the Sixers why not nab him? Use him now before drafting a higher caliber PG and convert knight to a bench role long term

No way Vivek has this kind of foresight or self awareness

I think part of the initial motivation was to build an international pipeline similar to how the Spurs have been doing for the last decade. In the first two years of Hinkie's tenure, he had ~5 international players stashed, though right now the team has just 2.

Ideally, Colangelo is able to add a few more stashes over the next few years in the hopes of finding the next Ginobili/Jokic/etc.

I think rosters might be expanding by 2 (next year?) as well with the D-League two way contracts so 2nd round picks likely gain some marginal value there.

Ideally some are used in trades as well.