lol, there's no way cousins deserves any benefit of the doubt wrt adjusting his character

pretty sure griffin was considered and was actually a good pnr player from the get go. not sure why we are questioning this just b/c he plays with paul now. it's pretty obv why he would excel there and at anything around the rim. looking at his rookie retrospective on de:

griffin has plenty of flaws, but scoring as the roll man isn't one of them. i did reference lolscreens though; there was a good grantland articlee about it a while back

edit: he did have baron davis then, but davis was washed up at this stage which reinforces the idea that he'd score in pnr as long as the pg was competent

I feel like he's matured this year. He was still the man at UK and was an infant. He would respect CP3 in pretty sure.

Seadood, CP3 still has to sit 10 mins every game.

lol cousins. i have watched like 3-4 kings games this year. he pouts at his teammate in a close game for not passing the ball to him even though they would score. he is also the happiest guy ever in a blow out when he is doing well. he is def a cancer of dwight's level

I understand that, but would you rather give those minutes to someone like JCraw at 5 mil, someone who's shooting actually enhances CP3's effectiveness and can still create, or three times that to someone who hurts your offense for the majority of the time?

I don't see DMC being a fit with that team at all.

I guess I just disagree that he hurts the offense.

I would certainly prefer feeding him in the post than letting CRAWFISH scuttle around for contested long 2s.

At this point, Blake is a superior PnR player, even though Cousins is more "skilled". It's not that Cousins CAN'T do many of the same things Blake does as a roll man (and his athleticism is actually probably underrated, he's noticeably lighter this year.) He can do stuff like this:
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Maybe not as spectacular as Blake, but still pretty good. He too often pops rather than rolls, and especially too often settles for jump shots instead of driving off the pick and pop, he'd be much better. Of course again, that's a decision that with better coaching and teammates he might make better. It can't be a lot of fun to constantly have to roll through 3 defenders because John Salmons and LRMaM's defenders never have to leave the paint.

not sure if it's a repost but:

meh, that is basically uncontested by nba standards. can he finish that play if someone rotates?

edit: can we get a video of that cousins play? ball is not very high in the air there-- not a play i'd cite to demonstrate athleticism

amare just showing sick anticipation there since there was an open 3

eh, 2.7 career assists/36 vs. 17 shats/6.7 fts/3.6 tos/36. doesn't seem that high to me.

I mean he's never going to be a super above the rim finisher, but his speed as a roll man is pretty good. As far as can he finish? Yes. Does he do so efficiently, I don't know. A quick glance at the numbers suggests he's basically on par with David Lee.

Fun fact:
Blake somehow averages more turnovers/game than CP3 during their Clippers time.
Gets even worse if you consider that vast majority of Paul's are on passes that would have had high PPP probability vs. Blake randomly shuffling his feet and commiting offensive fouls.

I'm assuming this is a blog? PM me I'll read it, I guess you can't just post links to blogs here.

Though the TOs are high, those assist numbers are on par with Dirk, David Lee, Kevin Love, LMA.

Ast: TO is poor measure of dominant post big's actual creation.

I mean there's no question Cousins has shot too much, turned it over too much and basically tried to do too much on offense during his career. But the only other somewhat useful creators he's played with (not counting 10 games of Greivis this year) are Tyreke Evans and Lil Zeke, so how much can you blame him for taking too many of the possessions that SOMEONE has to take?

is anyone doing that? just citing those #s to show he's not really a passer, and his assist totals (when compared to his overall usage) reflect that. obviously he creates a ton in an overall sense.

because the balance of evidence (including about Cousins' attitude) strongly suggests that "taking a monster amount of semi-efficient usage" is who Cousins the player is, not a role he's consciously playing that he can switch away from.

I mean if you are going to use his college usage against him, you should point out that he was a pretty efficient scorer on that usage at UK, .580 TS on 34.2 PER (though PER obviously inflated by beastly rebounding)

yeah he was ****ing awesome at UK. I was only using his college usage "against" him in the sense that it shows that DeMarcus Cousins, if he's on the court, is going to take a lot of shots. And, debate on the value of shot creation aside, those shots have not been all that efficient, compared to average, playing against NBA defenders instead of college ones. On a different team: he will keep taking a bunch of shots, and they probably still won't be very efficient ones.

I think this argument would have more merit if a) this wasn't already an issue coming out of college and b) there were no questions of maturity.

As it stands, if I were a GM I wouldn't be giving him the benefit of the doubt.

How was it an issue in college? He shot a ton because he beasted all over fools. There is no question the attitude thing is a concern, but he's never to my knowledge showed up on a police blotter or anything like that.

To be honest, I'm not even sure what's being argued here, but my prediction from day one was that in about his 6th year in the league, on his 3rd or 4th team/coach, we were going to see articles about him "getting it" - I think we're already starting to see it a little this year. Again, his conditioning is better, his attitude certainly isn't perfect, but it's VASTLY better as he appears to be making a conscious effort to complain to refs less (especially during the play) and to be a positive supportive teammate.

oh wait misunderstod. dont agree with this. dont see boogie as happy during blowouts. see him as a massive frontrunner.

Lol. Flake is getting massively underrated. Flake >> big cuz, if your goal is winning

The argument was that in College he shot way too much, and tended to get away from what he's good at in favor of easier, less efficient shots. This didn't matter as much then because he was so much better than anyone inside ofc

And we've been having this conversation about him "getting it" for years. I suspect he will regress from what we've seen this year as the season goes by.

OTOH, Sacto appears to have a real owner and while we don't know about the new coach, he's neither Paul Westphal or Keith Smart, so there's hope.

TZ all overrated

PG - Rubio
SG - Klay
SF - HBarnes
PF - Larry Sanders!
C - Cuz

TZ all underrated:

PG - DLose
SG - Kevin Martin
SF - Iggy?
PF - Flake
C - Nene

Team B smashes team A