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12-21-2020 , 02:22 PM
Need to read what you wrote better, oops. Yeah, you are right, it is a good idea and I am struggling to find a downside.
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12-21-2020 , 02:28 PM
I think people are misunderstanding the purpose of the supermax - the main reason for rules like this isn't to level the playing field, but to ensure that the cap on individual salary doesn't incentivize movement for popular players that are more valuable to their current team than other teams, for generally non-basketball reasons. In other words, the point is not to help Utah put together a better basketball team, but to ensure that the marketing value of superstars in markets where they are already popular, can be taken into account when offering contracts.
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12-21-2020 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
How would that be any cheaper than the DPE is currently though? It's the exact same amount owed to the player except he'll be easier to move.
Supermax contracts should be hard to move. If it doesn't lead to superstar players moving less, it's not doing the job. One way to think about this is that from the league and players' perspective, how much total money players get is largely fixed - supermax allocates that money away from everyone else to the few superstars that are willing to stay with their first team. Why is everyone else agreeing to sacrifice so that superstar players staying with their first team get a larger share of the pie? The idea is that this helps generate more revenue, thus increasing the size of the pie. The theory behind this is that popular superstars moving is bad for the popularity of the sport because a lot of local fans become fans of the particular superstar, and can churn if the player no longer plays for the team. No one is trying to ensure that teams that happened to draft a star gets more mileage out of that luck.
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12-21-2020 , 05:26 PM
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Los Angeles Clippers guard Luke Kennard has agreed to a four-year, $64 million contract extension

lol if kiwi leaves
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12-21-2020 , 05:43 PM
Candybar, I don’t think superstar contracts should be hard to move for the team though. Say they sign Rudy and in two years want to move him, it becomes less penal for them since he’s on a better deal. The current problem with the DPE is that you now have to overpay a player, mainly in years, just to keep him there. That makes it harder to move him mid contract and equally hard to keep good talent around him.

Another option would be to allow teams to pay a player an x dollar signing bonus if they qualify while making extensions shorter. For instance, Rudy gets a 3/90 deal with a 30 million dollar signing bonus... tough to turn down for the player, and good for the encumbent team from a value/asset perspective.
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12-21-2020 , 05:59 PM
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lol if kiwi leaves
Never heard of this guy
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12-21-2020 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
I definitely don't think Brooklyn is ANYWHERE near drawing dead to ship as long as Durant remains healthy. Having a top 5 player is a major thing when you wanna title, plus the Nets are an actual team. Kyrie has also been there and he performed excellently at the highest level. He knows what it takes to win a title and with Durant there's less pressure on him individually.

Don't count out D'Antoni's offensive genius mind either. The dude is a straight up guru.
Nets are my fav in the east. Called it before preseason and KD already looks like pre achilles all time great levels. Lock it up
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12-21-2020 , 06:03 PM
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I think this could easily be fixed with making the DPE only count towards 25% of your salary cap (rookie scale max), and then have those same stipulations carry with the player throughout that contract if he's traded. Does anyone lose in that situation? The owner has to spend more, but it's the tax that's more cumbersome than the cap for these small markets. Sure it gives them a competitive advantage, but it's still nothing compared to the geographical advantages of other teams.

In this scenario Rudy gets his 5/205(41m/yr) deal, but it only counts as a 5/163 (32m/yr) against the cap. Once his year is up he can be traded if needed, and the new team is responsible for the 41m/yr salary but only charged 32m/yr of their cap space. That makes it more palatable for teams to take on someone like Rudy down the line and raises his trade value whilst still giving him his money. Furthermore, it give Utah ~10M more a year in flexibility to build a better team around their DPE.
Just a book mark, because this seems like a pretty interesting idea and I want to think about it later.

ty Seadood
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12-21-2020 , 06:07 PM
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i could see things getting ugly for the bucks. they are betting a lot on jrue holiday being a massive upgrade over eric bledsoe. he's probably only a small one and they'll need growth from giannis, bud, middleton, divincenzo to improve on their playoffs failures since their assets are gone.

nets and sixers will be better. heat and celtics prolly same, but they have young stars that are more likely to take a leap than giannis.

if you are a fan of a team that didn't have giannis dreams, you're probably pretty happy he re-signed in milwaukee.
Agree with last paragraph but Giannis signing is worthy of parades everyday in Milwaukee. Just lol at people who say this is "not that great" for the bucks. It's the best case scenario. He could have delayed or even signed shorter deal which are both significantly worse than supermax.
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12-21-2020 , 06:10 PM



never go full kyrie
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12-21-2020 , 06:14 PM
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lol if kiwi leaves
The Mook!
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12-21-2020 , 06:24 PM
now fultz gets 50/3 from orlando
isn't any good yet, but he's still only 22.5yo

edit: + 80/4 for jon isaac


will be funny if og signs for less than these other bums

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Anunoby has agreed to a four-year, $72 million extension, including a player-option for the 2024-2025 season
solid

Last edited by 72off; 12-21-2020 at 06:51 PM.
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12-21-2020 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
Candybar, I don’t think superstar contracts should be hard to move for the team though. Say they sign Rudy and in two years want to move him, it becomes less penal for them since he’s on a better deal. The current problem with the DPE is that you now have to overpay a player, mainly in years, just to keep him there. That makes it harder to move him mid contract and equally hard to keep good talent around him.

Another option would be to allow teams to pay a player an x dollar signing bonus if they qualify while making extensions shorter. For instance, Rudy gets a 3/90 deal with a 30 million dollar signing bonus... tough to turn down for the player, and good for the encumbent team from a value/asset perspective.
I think you're still thinking from the perspective of how to make this better for the team, but the point of the rule is not to benefit the team, but to allow them to express the possible market reality that the player may be more valuable to the team that drafted him for non-basketball reasons. Trading the player implies that such value is negligible. There's no reason for the league to help teams keep such players in this scenario and extract the excess value by trading them. The league doesn't benefit from that at all. Again, it's a mistake to think of the super max as some kind of perk that the team deserves due to having had the luck to draft star players. It's just a system designed to incentivize locally marketable superstars to stay where they are more marketable.

Also, super max situations are more likely to happen on top teams - if you look at which teams have taken advantage of the super max, they are disproportionately good teams - so helping the team even more here hurts parity.
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12-21-2020 , 07:09 PM
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San Antonio Spurs guard Derrick White has agreed to a four-year, $73M extension

don't even know who this is, but he's 26.5yo and quite average so glgl
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12-21-2020 , 07:24 PM
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lol if kiwi leaves
I don't understand what the hell the Clippers are doing. This is awful.
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12-21-2020 , 07:26 PM
How does Luke Kennard get a bigger contract than Christian Wood? It seriously makes 0 sense.
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12-21-2020 , 07:52 PM
lol Ballmer. Dolan didn't even shell out any bad contracts this year!
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12-21-2020 , 08:04 PM
Amazing what teams will do when they think they can compete for championships.
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12-21-2020 , 08:05 PM


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12-21-2020 , 08:05 PM
Gotta lock up the combo forward in the modern NBA. I'm not sure if the combo of "not very good" and "injury prone" is what that normally refers to but I digress.
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12-21-2020 , 08:06 PM
OG (4/72) gets less $ than an injured Jon Isaac (4/80). is it because Klutch gave a discount or have raptors fans been gaslighting the world about him for 4 years? time will tell
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12-21-2020 , 08:13 PM
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For those interested btw

https://m.imgur.com/a/CZ9wj6t

Read Zach lowe
God Bless You GrapesofRath!
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12-21-2020 , 08:14 PM
Anunoby deal is real good
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12-21-2020 , 08:18 PM
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OG (4/72) gets less $ than an injured Jon Isaac (4/80). is it because Klutch gave a discount or have raptors fans been gaslighting the world about him for 4 years? time will tell
Raps a better managed team then the Magic, who would of funked it
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12-21-2020 , 08:28 PM
Dipo to Toronto one time! Spicy P, OG, and Dipo so fun to watch
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