Mostly agree but KG wolves and the teams CP3's been on since 2007-2008 are pretty far apart in terms of talent.

Both have elite gentlemen's clubs unlike New Orleans .

Yeah but he won the mvp. Went to the super bowl and a couple conf championships.

Right, but they all made the nba finals(besides Nash), got to the conf finals, and went on to lose to eventual winners of the west conf finals or nba finals. Also quite a few mvps on that list. Pauls the guy you want if you want to get to 4th place in the post season though.

I actually do think Pauls a great pg. Hes the greatest 6'0 or under player ever.

I hope to see Chris Paul and the rockets out of the 2nd round this season. Would love to see them upset the warriors.

Yes a little bit. I was a thinking ATL because of its humidity and Houston being closer to the coast.

this is the key

and blackness

Oscar Robertson , Bob Cousy.
Great PGs make the players around them better , if not great. Who's game has CP improved ? Great players attract other great players and it seems like nobody really wanted to join this kid the last 12 years.

The GOAT Canadian for sure , just not those Canadiens .

Something also being overlooked is how lol in general PGs are historically when talking about all timers. GOAT PG could still be barely top 15-20 in general, it's not like we're saying he's Shaq here.

You are ****ing ******ed

just to be clear, you're not only arguing that Chris Paul doesn't make his teammates better (lol) but that you know that Oscar & Bob Cousy did make their teammates better?

ok grunching a bunch of pages here but:

cp3 is 1) maybe the best passer ever, 2)top 2 basketball iq itl, 3)very unselfish and adaptable (see 1 and 2), 4) an excellent defender, 5) doesn't rely on athleticism to get to the hoop or get shots off and thus will age well (see 1, 2, 3) 6) shoots well and 7) is a vocal leader.

its a fantastic trade for the rockets and the only issue i can see is his 7) + constant negativity and perfectionism being a problem for the happy-go-lucky style of the dantoni rox and possibly ruining harden's confidence.

Well I'm not arguing . I'm stating my opinion on a very subjective topic like everyone else has itt. Both Robertson and Cousy have rings and have always been revered by their teammates. CP3 has ..... idk . I don't recall any players of relevance wanting to sign with or be traded to the clippers to form a super team and get a ring .

finishing up reading the thread. kbfc. my man.

pretty ridiculous where some tzers have ended up. any vet wanna do a rundown?

ATL is more humid than Houston? Are you high?

Just teasing btw

they both suck

So high that I forgot the Black Sea and neighboring mountains help keep eastern Georgia cool. I need to work on my wheather skills.

lol

How much will you bet on this. I will even give you 21.5m

no reason scoring guards can't be pgs. or well i guess if you are saying that a guard has to prioritize passing over scoring to be a pg then that is a reason, but i think that's silly. silly is prob not the right word, but i think it's an antiquated view on perimeter play. i see the pg* as a ball handler, decision maker, and playmaker. scoring fits within that set of responsibilities and is extremely important for modern point guards. pnr has made it so, among other things.


even in the classical sense curry was clearly the pg in the mjax days. dunno how anyone could argue against that. roles are murkier w/n kerr's offense ofc as the whole point of the scheme is to leverage the passing and shooting of the roster. they could have as many as four players on the floor who can run point. however, curry still plays point the most of anyone on the warriors by quite a bit. can argue dray is the primary playmaker given the way a lot of the offense plays out, but curry is def the primary ball handler. stats related to time of possession, touches, etc bear this out. if we want to use standard terminology it makes more sense to say that curry plays both guard positions than it does to say that he is not a point guard b/c he prioritizes scoring


*should really just be the point rather than the point guard-- does lebron not run the point?


edit: actually the best argument for curry not being a pg may be that the woyas don't actually run that many "plays." also these discussions of positions and their associated roles always demonstrate how much the game and the players have evolved

He's a point forward.

A team can not have a true point guard on their roster somewhat similar to not having a rim defender despite having guys who play the 5.

Ultimately it doesn't matter. The future and the now is positionless basketball.

It's kind of silly to list guys as best pg ever when you could just slide Jordan in there too if circumstances varied. In terms of antiquated views, the point man is really just the initiator of the offense (going back to Jordan) so it all depends on the nuance you look at it with.

Kobe was more point than Derek Fisher, but then what position did Kobe guard, but then what position does Harden guard?

Is it who you guard? What you do on offense? How much does it matter who brings up the ball?

Guards/Forwards/Centers simplifies things.

what does true pg mean here, pass-first facilitator? if i accept that definition yeah a team can get by without a true pg, but they can't get by without having a player/players who possess those skills



varying circumstances as in if he had played on ball more during his career? i don't see what the issue is. also, i don't think viewing it as the initiator of the offense is antiquated, but i do think initiation includes scoring for pgs these days.



edit: wrt g/f/c simpler isn't necessarily better. wrt kobe and fisher, yes kobe was more of a pg than derek fisher. don't see the issue there.

other than people wanting to stick players into the same boxes they always have i don't see an issue with separating positions on offense and defense. defensive positions are much messier anyway given a lot of the switching and weakside tactics that teams use

Stockton and Nash were all-stars at 37, Kidd was an all-star at 36

Having Paul until 38 isn't ideal but I don't think the downside is as stark as it's been made out to be

Similarly, I don't think you pass up on a chance to acquire him because he's not an ideal fit; players of his caliber don't become available that often.

Anyway, Morey GOAT, sorry losers and haters. Between the Rockets and Astros Houston sports are actually fun again (the Texans are still run by mostly dumbasses though)