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06-23-2017 , 10:19 PM
I haven't watched much timberwolves last year but umm can they even play gorgi deng & KAT together defensively? both seem like defensive players but i'm not sure if players like kristaps, kat or a.davis should be 4's, how good do those 3 players do defensively at the 4?

Are the wolves still trading rubio? hope he goes, biggest disappointmen for me, rubio had such a high ceiling but just never developed his shot, so frustrating to watch.
06-23-2017 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jh12547
I agree. When the C's won the lottery I was hoping they just said **** Lavar and took Lonzo with the 1 but of course Ainge deals it away. I think Ball will have a really good NBA career
I also would've unloaded the mother ****ing clip for Porzingis if I were the Celtics GM.

Porzingis has been playing for the abomination of a "professional" organization that is the New York Knicks ffs, he certainly has more potential as a "franchise" player, that's enough said.

The things that the Celtics need the most are rebounding and rim protection. Porzingis protects the rim very well without even jumping! He's a 7'3'' UNICORN with a wingspan of 8 feet.

It's all great and dandy to have all these assets but seriously you have to cash them in at some point. Players of Porzingis' caliber + potential aren't often readily available and when they are you simply have to pull the trigger and live with the consequences iyam.

But who knows maybe Ainge will land BROW in a year (after a Brow/Cousins pairing doesn't work out - especially with Jrue Holiday possibly leaving). Then all the Celtics fans will be praising him nonstop for being very patient and maintaining his assets for that long.
06-23-2017 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
Rubio can hit open catch and shoot 3s okay, he just is incapable of shooting of the dribble. While Lonzo can shoot well of the dribble, he does take a very long time to get that shot off.
Where is the evidence for that? i watched like the first 2-3years of rubio career & i didn't see him capable or making even open shots. I just remember the team defense basically guarding 4 players & leaving him wide open & him literally not even taking open shots cause he know he sucks at making them. Rubio is a poor 3pt shooter my man whether wide open, catch n shoot or off the dribble, if he could hit open 3's at a standstill position he's probably an allstar but he's literally a dud on offense bro.
06-23-2017 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Exothermic
Rubio & lonzo prob the same height, lonzo clearly is a much much better shooter, outside of the ft line rubio can't shoot like at all & rubio passing is 10x better than lonzo. Lonzo comp is so much more stockton than anybody else, he will never be a superstar but always make the right decisions & take good quality shots, think he will turn into a decent defender in the nba as well.
Rubio is 6'4'' and Lonzo is 6'6''
06-23-2017 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Floyd13
Jimmy will never sniff what Rose was at his peak. Not even close. Rose was the youngest MVP in history, Jimmy nearly missed the playoffs two years in a row as the lead dog.

He was once a good story cause he worked his butt off. Then became a primadonna with mediocre skills to back it up.
I didn't think anyone could be as bad as woodman but here we are
06-23-2017 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Exothermic
I haven't watched much timberwolves last year but umm can they even play gorgi deng & KAT together defensively? both seem like defensive players but i'm not sure if players like kristaps, kat or a.davis should be 4's, how good do those 3 players do defensively at the 4?

Are the wolves still trading rubio? hope he goes, biggest disappointmen for me, rubio had such a high ceiling but just never developed his shot, so frustrating to watch.
they played gorgui and towns a lot together last year, sometimes it was very very good, but more often than not it was very bad. fit is a bit weird, gorgui needs to be able to make those corner 3s consistently for them to really fit together imo. defensively both are athletic enough to get out on the wing against most bigs.
06-23-2017 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
Rubio is 6'4'' and Lonzo is 6'6''
Rubio is 6'4 without shoes, lonzo probably is like 6'4-6'4.5 & with shoes they call him 6'6, don't fight me on this bro, rubio is a big guard & the nba is disingenuous with regards to players heights. When they made fultz,d.fox & lonzo ball stand side by side at the draft he was like 1" taller than them & both fultz n fox measured 6'2-6'2.5 without shoes.
06-23-2017 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Exothermic
Rubio is 6'4 without shoes, lonzo probably is like 6'4-6'4.5 & with shoes they call him 6'6, don't fight me on this bro, rubio is a big guard & the nba is disingenuous with regards to players heights. When they made fultz,d.fox & lonzo ball stand side by side at the draft he was like 1" taller than them & both fultz n fox measured 6'2-6'2.5 without shoes.
fisticuffs will not commence.
06-23-2017 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Exothermic
Where is the evidence for that? i watched like the first 2-3years of rubio career & i didn't see him capable or making even open shots. I just remember the team defense basically guarding 4 players & leaving him wide open & him literally not even taking open shots cause he know he sucks at making them. Rubio is a poor 3pt shooter my man whether wide open, catch n shoot or off the dribble, if he could hit open 3's at a standstill position he's probably an allstar but he's literally a dud on offense bro.
He's a career 31.5% 3pt shooter which isn't awful. I have seen his dribble pull up shots and it's pathetic, so he's at least a couple percentage points better than his career average at catch and shoot. I pulled these numbers out of my ass, but I would guess he's probably around 34-37% at wide open catch and shoot 3s since I couldn't find anything on a 10 second Google search and it seems reasonable since he's probably below 20% at off the dribble or tightly contested 3s based on my eye test.
06-23-2017 , 10:54 PM
Ainge reminds of one of those kids who you're trying to trade sport cards with when you're a kid who overvalues all his cards. Like you bust out the beckett magazine show that what your offering is 2x-3x the value just to get your fav player but dude is still hording his **** thinking its worth more because u want it and he has it.

I think the only reason he made the trade down with Fultz is hes wanted another lotto pick to horde. I bet when you go to his house he never throws his old **** away. Hes a damn hoarder.

Like Staps,PG, Butler on the block and im 2nd in the east. Nope im not going for any of them, they want some of my stuff they cant have it!
06-23-2017 , 11:09 PM
The Celtics have to do something, soon they will no longer have all those team friendly contracts and will be unable to have max contract space in FA. They could just continue to do poorly in the draft every year and stock up on all the SFs in the NBA, but even to get a max this year they would have to renounce the rights to a lot of guys and subsequently have a very thin bench. Then they would be relying on all their young guys and future draft picks to net them a star, but his drafting history suggests that won't happen and once a draft pick is used the player's value goes way down unless it's obvious that player will hit above his ~80th percentile outcome from before the draft.
06-23-2017 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
He's a career 31.5% 3pt shooter which isn't awful. I have seen his dribble pull up shots and it's pathetic, so he's at least a couple percentage points better than his career average at catch and shoot. I pulled these numbers out of my ass, but I would guess he's probably around 34-37% at wide open catch and shoot 3s since I couldn't find anything on a 10 second Google search and it seems reasonable since he's probably below 20% at off the dribble or tightly contested 3s based on my eye test.
nah, he's a 32% shooter on catch and shoot 3's, he just never takes anything else
06-23-2017 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by yellowfever
Ainge reminds of one of those kids who you're trying to trade sport cards with when you're a kid who overvalues all his cards. Like you bust out the beckett magazine show that what your offering is 2x-3x the value just to get your fav player but dude is still hording his **** thinking its worth more because u want it and he has it.

I think the only reason he made the trade down with Fultz is hes wanted another lotto pick to horde. I bet when you go to his house he never throws his old **** away. Hes a damn hoarder.

Like Staps,PG, Butler on the block and im 2nd in the east. Nope im not going for any of them, they want some of my stuff they cant have it!
lol grate post
06-24-2017 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by yellowfever
Ainge reminds of one of those kids who you're trying to trade sport cards with when you're a kid who overvalues all his cards. Like you bust out the beckett magazine show that what your offering is 2x-3x the value just to get your fav player but dude is still hording his **** thinking its worth more because u want it and he has it.

I think the only reason he made the trade down with Fultz is hes wanted another lotto pick to horde. I bet when you go to his house he never throws his old **** away. Hes a damn hoarder.

Like Staps,PG, Butler on the block and im 2nd in the east. Nope im not going for any of them, they want some of my stuff they cant have it!
This has to be the most accurate depiction of Danny Ainge yet hahah, good post my man.

I mean i get the not wanting to trade for a 1year rental of pg13 & giving up valuable assets & i can even see not wanting to trade for butler when you have a very underrated 2guard who is a 3-d guy who fits in your system & butler may not even be that huge a upgrade compared to the other assets you would have to give up as well. The issue is with not trading for Porzingis who can play the 4, which is a spot you legit have nobody to play, he's 21 & you have him for minimum 6more years. Even if you may not want to pull the trigger cause you think next year if everything goes wrong in new orleans that you can somehow pull off a A.Davis trade, you can still use porzingis as leverage/trade-bait to get A.Davis. So tis not like giving up two high picks & a player diminishes that reality, Ainge is the nittiest gm in the history of the nba, wouldn't be surprised if he trades Isiah & Horford for future picks in the 2020-2021 draft, smh.
06-24-2017 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
@Geoff I wasn't wanting them to bottom out, I was thinking they should try to ascend a little more slowly and trust their development. What happened was they picked up a bunch of olds and then played their young guys to the point where they didn't have enough data and even shipped one of them out... Now they have to worry about overpaying for two others that helped them get where they are now, and that's not including Hayward who's another mystery box. IMO they did what bad franchises do when forced with their star's decision to stay, and that's make panic moves in order to try and placate them... never works.

Yes they were a top 5 team, but that's looking like it'll last a year. I didn't think it was worth it then and I certainly don't now.
The Yazz's problem was that they bricked on top 10 picks on Burke and Exum and thus had no point guard.

They're choices were:
1) Trade for Hill-try to be good for a season to convince Hayward to stay
2) Don't trade for Hill-be not good for a season to convince Hayward to stay

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Originally Posted by Speel_Posher
Re: Lavine

he's coming off a major knee injury, but his athletic comparison at the combine was Russell Westbrook. he's an athletic freak ldo, but even if he's missing a step this year he's also been a very good 3 point shooter for his very brief career. he's just under a 39% 3 point shooter on 600 attempts the last two seasons.

i think his median outcome is good offensive 6th man off the bench, his ceiling is premier wing SG.

his defense has sucked though.
People say that all the time but i don't get it. He's already better than that, has made huge strides every year, and hasn't played a game at age 22 yet. How could that possibly be his median outcome??
06-24-2017 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by yellowfever
Ainge reminds of one of those kids who you're trying to trade sport cards with when you're a kid who overvalues all his cards. Like you bust out the beckett magazine show that what your offering is 2x-3x the value just to get your fav player but dude is still hording his **** thinking its worth more because u want it and he has it.

I think the only reason he made the trade down with Fultz is hes wanted another lotto pick to horde. I bet when you go to his house he never throws his old **** away. Hes a damn hoarder.

Like Staps,PG, Butler on the block and im 2nd in the east. Nope im not going for any of them, they want some of my stuff they cant have it!
This may be my favorite post of all time. A+++
06-24-2017 , 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by yellowfever
Ainge reminds of one of those kids who you're trying to trade sport cards with when you're a kid who overvalues all his cards. Like you bust out the beckett magazine show that what your offering is 2x-3x the value just to get your fav player but dude is still hording his **** thinking its worth more because u want it and he has it.

I think the only reason he made the trade down with Fultz is hes wanted another lotto pick to horde. I bet when you go to his house he never throws his old **** away. Hes a damn hoarder.

Like Staps,PG, Butler on the block and im 2nd in the east. Nope im not going for any of them, they want some of my stuff they cant have it!
HOF post. Check out endowment effect.
06-24-2017 , 02:28 AM
Chris Paul and Blake Griffen opting out apparently. RIP Clippers.
06-24-2017 , 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
The Yazz's problem was that they bricked on top 10 picks on Burke and Exum and thus had no point guard.

They're choices were:
1) Trade for Hill-try to be good for a season to convince Hayward to stay
2) Don't trade for Hill-be not good for a season to convince Hayward to stay
Or they could have gotten in front of it and traded Hayward prior to last seaSon after realizing they made a giant blunder giving him three years after forcing him to get his own contract. The key here is not chasing good money after bad, imo. Don't make the mistake early on and you don't have to make
Panic moves. They also could have tried to get a pg in free agency as
This was the last year they had cap space, instead they signed Joe Johnson and traded for Diaw, what does that do for them? Sure it makes them better for a year, but does that convince Gordon Hayward that this is a viable long-term team?


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People say that all the time but i don't get it. He's already better than that, has made huge strides every year, and hasn't played a game at age 22 yet. How could that possibly be his median outcome??
Comps,
with Lavine being one year younger.


Yeah I agree with you on Lavine, he has outs to being a very good player.

Last edited by Seadood228; 06-24-2017 at 03:05 AM.
06-24-2017 , 04:09 AM
THIBS

I just hope they mic up Thibs every game because I can't get enough of him stressing out.
06-24-2017 , 06:13 AM
Lol Daj getting bullied into breaking his word and then they both opt out anyway. Sweet karma.
06-24-2017 , 06:33 AM
Well, i mean, they were obviously always gonna opt out. Salaries have gone up.

We'll see if they sign elsewhere.
06-24-2017 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Exothermic
This has to be the most accurate depiction of Danny Ainge yet hahah, good post my man.

I mean i get the not wanting to trade for a 1year rental of pg13 & giving up valuable assets & i can even see not wanting to trade for butler when you have a very underrated 2guard who is a 3-d guy who fits in your system & butler may not even be that huge a upgrade compared to the other assets you would have to give up as well. The issue is with not trading for Porzingis who can play the 4, which is a spot you legit have nobody to play, he's 21 & you have him for minimum 6more years. Even if you may not want to pull the trigger cause you think next year if everything goes wrong in new orleans that you can somehow pull off a A.Davis trade, you can still use porzingis as leverage/trade-bait to get A.Davis. So tis not like giving up two high picks & a player diminishes that reality, Ainge is the nittiest gm in the history of the nba, wouldn't be surprised if he trades Isiah & Horford for future picks in the 2020-2021 draft, smh.
Not trading the farm for porzingis is 100% standard and correct.

You don't just start doing bad deals cuz slapdicks think "well you gotta do something!"
06-24-2017 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by yellowfever
Ainge reminds of one of those kids who you're trying to trade sport cards with when you're a kid who overvalues all his cards. Like you bust out the beckett magazine show that what your offering is 2x-3x the value just to get your fav player but dude is still hording his **** thinking its worth more because u want it and he has it.

I think the only reason he made the trade down with Fultz is hes wanted another lotto pick to horde. I bet when you go to his house he never throws his old **** away. Hes a damn hoarder.

Like Staps,PG, Butler on the block and im 2nd in the east. Nope im not going for any of them, they want some of my stuff they cant have it!
POTY

06-24-2017 , 10:06 AM
CP3 & Blake were always going to opt out what's the reaction for?

      
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