probably just an old Trollstoy account

no no no you don't.

I got Lavine>Booker simply due to his potential as a creator off the bounce. I don't see a path for Booker to be anything but a great scorer. And even that, he's undersized and has poor shot selection (hence meh TS despite being a great shooter).

Ya this. Chicago was always gonna lose this trade, that's what happens when you trade stars. They didn't have to lose this bad though.

lol, you're ridiculous. Utah ran incredibly bad and were still a top ~5 team last year. They're supposed to pass that up to just be like a top 15 team? They have two top 30 players, they weren't going to bottom out.

Maybe watch the games without the Wolves-hating blinders.

And a pretty critical 17 months too. Booker has done things very few 19/20 y/o players have done.

Saw that GSW who will need some vet mins, may have one set: Vince Carter. Pretty cool if true

@Geoff I wasn't wanting them to bottom out, I was thinking they should try to ascend a little more slowly and trust their development. What happened was they picked up a bunch of olds and then played their young guys to the point where they didn't have enough data and even shipped one of them out... Now they have to worry about overpaying for two others that helped them get where they are now, and that's not including Hayward who's another mystery box. IMO they did what bad franchises do when forced with their star's decision to stay, and that's make panic moves in order to try and placate them... never works.

Yes they were a top 5 team, but that's looking like it'll last a year. I didn't think it was worth it then and I certainly don't now.

I honestly can't think of a better situation for them in that spot. Maybe they really are light years ahead. All this wanting we had for them to be hurting at that spot, and then they go out and get a guy on a miniscule deal that's probably going to be as good next year plus will likely improve.

Why do we think Hayward would have been more likely to stay last year had they been worse? They were always gonna be ****ed without him. But if they're able to re-sign him they can do exactly what you want now letting Hill go.

You're making exactly the same mistake you always do (see: 2013 Nuggets), you can't just assume improvement/progression bc players are young. There's no guarantee Hood or Exum (especially coming off an ACL injury) are going to make the strides you need simply bc they're young. You're basically saying they should have wasted a prime year of Gobert/Hayward, and increased the chance of losing Hayward, in some effort to box a better option that is far from a sure thing. Also, Hood & Exum played 27 & 18 mpg respectively. It's not like they were riding the bench by any means, they got their run so I'm sure they weren't that far off from whatever development you would project for them without Hill.

Aspie doesn't understand context.

More at 11.

Hayward wasn't any more likely to stay either way was my argument. And yes there is no guarantee that those players get better, but at some point you have to trust your development and drafting. As I've said all along they should have traded Hayward during last offseason. They did him dirty in his first round of RFA, and ended up suffering because of it. There is definitely a time to cut your losses imo.

vince need a ring

Details?

I forgot this.

didnt offer him max, waited for charlotte and then matched at last minute

Oh, right.

Even worse, them waiting took another year off his second deal... And guys on second deals are very rarely ever bad contracts. This wouldn't be an issue if they hadn't have made him go out and get contract #2 on his own.

That's what I mean by cutting your losses. It took Utah a long time to rebuild, but because they blundered one of the steps they were forced to make panic moves and (imo) short-circuited the process.

Wins and losses bro

Explain the place for selling a 2nd round pick for cash in the rebuilding plan.

Reinsdorf already has 6 titles and has always been a cheapskate. It's pretty obvious he has absolutely zero motivation to win a title and instead just wants to milk the stone of mediocrity for money.

The Bulls are not even pretending like they are rebuilding. They have literally declared we are going to suck and we do not care.

Reinsdorf cares substantially more about the White Sox.

Seems like both the Lakers and the kings drafted pretty well. Which must have been an unpleasant surprise for Ainge. Maybe his deal just came down, more or less, to the outcome of Fultz-vs-Tatum.

Fultz vs Tatum is a snap call in favor of Fultz for me.

He will be a multi all star.

With that being said I have Lonzo > Fultz. Lonzo could be very well damn transcendent.

I agree. When the C's won the lottery I was hoping they just said **** Lavar and took Lonzo with the 1 but of course Ainge deals it away. I think Ball will have a really good NBA career

Or he could be a taller, worse defending, slightly better shooting Rubio

Re: Lavine

he's coming off a major knee injury, but his athletic comparison at the combine was Russell Westbrook. he's an athletic freak ldo, but even if he's missing a step this year he's also been a very good 3 point shooter for his very brief career. he's just under a 39% 3 point shooter on 600 attempts the last two seasons.

i think his median outcome is good offensive 6th man off the bench, his ceiling is premier wing SG.

his defense has sucked though.

Rubio & lonzo prob the same height, lonzo clearly is a much much better shooter, outside of the ft line rubio can't shoot like at all & rubio passing is 10x better than lonzo. Lonzo comp is so much more stockton than anybody else, he will never be a superstar but always make the right decisions & take good quality shots, think he will turn into a decent defender in the nba as well.

Few college journos that have Tatum as the guy with the highest ceiling.

and honestly, for fit a healthy lavine is a much better pairing next to butler than wiggins is.

However, with the Dubs dynasty I think you have to roll the dice with Wiggs and Butler and hope butler can turn wiggins' defense around(even if lavine didn't have injury concerns). having two big wings that can potentially guard 2-4 would be a huge plus if it pans out.

Rubio can hit open catch and shoot 3s okay, he just is incapable of shooting of the dribble. While Lonzo can shoot well of the dribble, he does take a very long time to get that shot off and subsequently will probably take even fewer of them than he did in college