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10-12-2017 , 12:58 PM


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Nuggets relegated
10-12-2017 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by tarheeljks
howard's nutty athleticism would have made him better in space than gobert i think. although i have no way to gauge their relative ability to make reads
It's hard to compare, because I don't have prime Howard in my fresh memory

Was Dwight as good as Rudy to recover after a switch on pick & roll ? The way Rudy can defend the pick & roll truly 1 Vs 2 is quite unique to me

Game wasn't as much spacing pick & roll oriented as today, so Dwight had more occasions to shine on Post-D and he played way more situation of 3 or 4 people meeting in a clogged paint. That's the easiest way to look great for a Center

If Dwight was a 90s player, he would have been a greater Defensive player than Gobert, with how B-ball is played now, Gobert is 100% better than peak Dwight
10-12-2017 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by guivre1408
It's hard to compare, because I don't have prime Howard in my fresh memory

Was Dwight as good as Rudy to recover after a switch on pick & roll ? The way Rudy can defend the pick & roll truly 1 Vs 2 is quite unique to me

Game wasn't as much spacing pick & roll oriented as today, so Dwight had more occasions to shine on Post-D and he played way more situation of 3 or 4 people meeting in a clogged paint. That's the easiest way to look great for a Center

If Dwight was a 90s player, he would have been a greater Defensive player than Gobert, with how B-ball is played now, Gobert is 100% better than peak Dwight

Yeah Gobert's length an BB IQ knowing how to use it is just so stifling for opposing offensive players.

Gotta factor in Dwight's propensity for foul trouble as well.

I'd probably say Gobert from like 2007 on. Before that probably Dwight.
10-12-2017 , 01:31 PM
As my memory serves Howard was an excellent pnr defender during his DPOY days, but pnr dynamics have obv changed a lot. He still seems like a pretty good defender these days and I think a 2011 version of him would excel in some of these switching schemes
10-12-2017 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Moneyball16
Theres no spot to trade him to play center. No one needs centers. Maybe a couple rebuilding teams do, but that doesnt work with Favors with an expiring contract whos basically at his peak.

AFAIK the Favors/Gobert lineups have been fine. I dont know if theres a better spot for him out there.

The Suns, Nets, Mavs and Hawks could use him next year as a free agent tho?
Favors is 26 years old and really good, Cleveland and Boston could both use him today
10-12-2017 , 03:03 PM
Favors is the most overrated player in the NBA. He is still decent, but not very impactful
10-12-2017 , 03:27 PM
I'm trying not to get into hyperbole when it comes to a player being really good or really bad, but I tend to agree with big2k4 about Favors. He hasn't had one season in the last four where he's even ranked in the top 10 in RPM among power forwards alone, let alone other positions, and 2 of those seasons he's been a negative overall.

His counting stats generally look decent, however it hasn't translated to him impacting the lineups he's played in, even when healthy. I think he's an average starter at the position, but I'd give him (if healthy) a value bump because like guivre said he can theoretically be a starting 4/backup 5 which I think has extra value.
10-12-2017 , 03:33 PM
DeRozan more overrated than Favors.
10-12-2017 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by guivre1408
Nobody doubt the process.

But he can reach peak Wilt statline if he plays one game per month like he average since his career started he'll be useless
Seems silly to consider his "games per season" or "games per month" averages when he missed 2 full years because of one foot injury that did not heal correctly at first but since healing has shown no signs of being an issue.

Last edited by jay0582; 10-12-2017 at 04:36 PM.
10-12-2017 , 04:24 PM
Favors playing in the wrong era, PF is dead unless you are elite and he really isn't good enough to be a starting C getting 30-32mpg for a team. Nor could he likely handle that workload from a durability standpoint.

But I think he's a fine player overall. Just devalued.
10-12-2017 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TingsRgunagetGROSS
Favors is 26 years old and really good, Cleveland and Boston could both use him today
He'd make a useful addition to either team's bench.
10-12-2017 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jay0582
Seems silly to consider his "games per season" or "games per month" averages when he missed 2 full years because of one foot injury that did not heal correctly at first but since healing has shown no signs of being an issue.
I'm as big a process-fan as the next poster, but I do - in view of the knee - kinda worry that he might be too athletic for his body. Whereas that wouldn't be such a concern with, eg, KP (or, eg,. Giannis).

Obv I'm not a doctor/anyone with knowledge about anatomy nor do I play one on the interwebs. .
10-12-2017 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by tchaz
I'm as big a process-fan as the next poster, but I do - in view of the knee - kinda worry that he might be too athletic for his body. Whereas that wouldn't be such a concern with, eg, KP (or, eg,. Giannis).

Obv I'm not a doctor/anyone with knowledge about anatomy nor do I play one on the interwebs. .
You may be right, no one knows for sure. My point is he had one severe injury that cost him two full seasons to start his career, and that particular injury once healed has not been an issue. That sort of heavily skews the numbers unfavorably. The fact that he had one other injury in addition to that one does not convince me that he is doomed to be the next Greg Oden or (later in his career) Yao Ming.
10-12-2017 , 05:39 PM
i don't want to say embiid is done, but his injury situation seems far more similar to oden's than yao's. yao missed 2 games his first 3 nba seasons while playing normal minutes-- slightly low i guess-- but after he had foot surgery he continued to have lower body injuries thereafter. don't remember if he had any red flags entering the league, but he demonstrated a run of clean health. oden obv came in with the red flags and got hurt pretty quickly
10-12-2017 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by mullen
I for one will be laughing when Toronto is paying Lowry and derozan 80 million a year in 2020
80 million will look like peanuts by the time it comes according to the way players are getting paid now
10-12-2017 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Highspirit1978
80 million will look like peanuts by the time it comes according to the way players are getting paid now


The 2020 salary cap is projected at 120 million and Lowry/DeRozan will have significantly declined by then.
10-12-2017 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jay0582
You may be right, no one knows for sure. My point is he had one severe injury that cost him two full seasons to start his career, and that particular injury once healed has not been an issue. That sort of heavily skews the numbers unfavorably. The fact that he had one other injury in addition to that one does not convince me that he is doomed to be the next Greg Oden or (later in his career) Yao Ming.
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Originally Posted by tarheeljks
i don't want to say embiid is done, but his injury situation seems far more similar to oden's than yao's. yao missed 2 games his first 3 nba seasons while playing normal minutes-- slightly low i guess-- but after he had foot surgery he continued to have lower body injuries thereafter. don't remember if he had any red flags entering the league, but he demonstrated a run of clean health. oden obv came in with the red flags and got hurt pretty quickly
Yeah - obviously I know nothing and am trying to read the tea-leaves - and I really, really hope that Embiid has a long and fit future in the NBA - because that would be fantastic viewing regardless of who he's playing for.

My idiot-thought is that he's in "great shape" but puts too much pressure through the joints (+feet) because of that. Like I said, I have absolutely no sound basis for thinking this ... but, sadly, I think it's obvious no one has a statistical or physical basis for thinking I'm wrong. (And let me say again .. I do really hope to be "wrong")
10-12-2017 , 08:44 PM
kyrie going ham



https://twitter.com/deliberatepix/st...85586015830017
10-12-2017 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Highspirit1978
80 million will look like peanuts by the time it comes according to the way players are getting paid now
Wrong-O
10-12-2017 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by tarheeljks
kyrie going ham



https://twitter.com/deliberatepix/st...85586015830017
He's finally out of lebrontanamo

A free man
10-12-2017 , 09:30 PM
If the Celtics beat a healthy Cavs in the playoffs and Kyrie looks like an improved player, how badly does that hurt Lebron's legacy?
10-12-2017 , 09:42 PM
wowwww BRAD
10-12-2017 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
Better defensive center, Dwight in his prime or Gobert now? I know the game is way different now compared to '08-12 but it was the subject of a debate I had with a friend. You can rank M Gasol in there as well if you want. Or add someone else but that seems like the clear top 3 post-KG era.
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Originally Posted by tarheeljks
howard's nutty athleticism would have made him better in space than gobert i think. although i have no way to gauge their relative ability to make reads
tough to quantify gobert's ability to alter shots at the rim and just the sheer amount of space Howard could cover.

They're both obviously good at both of those things, but were special in the other imo.

I guess I would take Dwight but it's probably pretty damn close.
10-12-2017 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
He'd make a useful addition to either team's bench.
Favors was 74th in Vorp, 45th in BPM when you look at 2015 and 2016 together.

He averaged 16/8/1.5 with 3 STOCKS a game

Derrick Favors is 26 this year
10-13-2017 , 12:26 AM
What's the concensus on this Wiggins deal?

      
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