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06-23-2017 , 11:33 AM
The more I look in depth at this trade the more I dislike it for the bulls.

Lauri, Dunn, or Lavine need to become a star to make it okay.

Lauri I know nothing about but if they are betting he will be Dirk 2.0 then lol - I don't think they are

Dunn will get a chance

Lavine is the piece they are running to be the star. He's shown potential for sure but coming off an ACL, restricted off his rookie deal next summer, they basically have one year for him to prove that. Just kinda crazy. Say he performs well, puts up nice numbers this year, they will have to pay out the ass to keep him and that contract could be terrible from the get-go.

Or he could under perform being the go-to-guy attracting defensive attention and suck and then Bulls are really in a terrible position.
06-23-2017 , 11:39 AM
People gives team crap when they linger around the 8-seed

Well Chicago just took a dump on their 8 seed and theyre in the lotto.
06-23-2017 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by capone0
I think Love is a better asset then what they got from the Wolves but it looks like all the Bulls really wanted was long term and young assets to blow things up and no interest in medium/old assets. I can't imagine why Boston couldn't match that value.

Wouldn't #3, Jaylen Brown and maybe a future #1 from Boston be very similar value or even more than what the Wolves gave up and got.
I don't think so. Zach Lavine is way better than Jaylen Brown. If Markkanen is the guy you want, you're better off getting him at 7 then 3. Plus Kris Dunn.
06-23-2017 , 11:43 AM
Floyd I will say I admire what you're trying to do itt.
06-23-2017 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Christophersen
The more I look in depth at this trade the more I dislike it for the bulls.

Lauri, Dunn, or Lavine need to become a star to make it okay.

Lauri I know nothing about but if they are betting he will be Dirk 2.0 then lol - I don't think they are

Dunn will get a chance

Lavine is the piece they are running to be the star. He's shown potential for sure but coming off an ACL, restricted off his rookie deal next summer, they basically have one year for him to prove that. Just kinda crazy. Say he performs well, puts up nice numbers this year, they will have to pay out the ass to keep him and that contract could be terrible from the get-go.

Or he could under perform being the go-to-guy attracting defensive attention and suck and then Bulls are really in a terrible position.
Or he could not even play. He just tore his ACL in February. If it takes him 10-12 months to come back and the Bulls are terrible at that time, wouldn't a responsible team just shut him down?
06-23-2017 , 11:44 AM
Lavine getting too much hate imo

I don't think he has Butler-level upside but he's already a legit offensive threat with room to grow. I think much of his poor performance in the past was due to him being misused occasionally as a PG
06-23-2017 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by diskoteque
Lavine getting too much hate imo

I don't think he has Butler-level upside but he's already a legit offensive threat with room to grow. I think most much of his poor performance in the past was due to him being misused occasionally as a PG
this for sure

Lavine > Devin Booker right? Am i off here?
06-23-2017 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Floyd13
Fake MVP blah blah blah. There's a reason he was the #1 pick and Jimmy #30. Huge skill gap.
And there's 2 reasons 8 years later one is a top 15 player the other is a donowant accross the whole league

-Huge knee gap
-Huge heart gap
06-23-2017 , 11:51 AM
LaVine's better right now, but he's also 17 months older and coming off an ACL tear. I wouldn't deal Booker for LaVine straight up

I agree LaVine was brutally miscast as a PG, but he seems like more of a super 6th man type than starter long term to me. He is still young and has made improvements each year, so his ceiling is definitely higher than that, we'll see.
06-23-2017 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Floyd13
Jimmy was once vastly underrated. Now vastly overrated.
I'm gonna guess, in your opinion, Jimmy was vastly underrated 2 days ago, and is vastly overrated today.
06-23-2017 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by diskoteque
Man still can't believe wolves snagged butler and only had to move down 9 spots + Lavine (i don't consider Dunn a real player)

So much upside on that team right now. Two all star level offensive players in butler and Kat and sick perimeter D which is Obv a necessity in the west. If KAT's d improves and Wiggins takes the next step offensively I have to think they are a top 4 team in the west. Maybe I'm just a homer.

Not sure if vegas has win totals out yet but for all you TZ experts how would markets view Wolves vs Jazz vs Thunder right now?
I really hope Thibs realizes Wiggins sucks and moves for PG13, that would be so sick.
06-23-2017 , 11:58 AM
If Chicago is going for the rebuild, it seems indefensible not to take Smith. Or even Ntilikina
06-23-2017 , 11:59 AM
LOL at Lavine > Booker
06-23-2017 , 11:59 AM
Yes you are way off. Lavine is terrible.
06-23-2017 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by guivre1408
And there's 2 reasons 8 years later one is a top 15 player the other is a donowant accross the whole league

-Huge knee gap
-Huge heart gap
Only reason is injury. Not heart.

No doubt Rose's head went to **** afterward and he was never bright to begin with, but he would run into a brick wall to will us to victory. He did every night and it cost him his career.

Regardless of fake MVP, everyone knew Rose was easily top 5 in the leage. Jimmy will never get close to that.
06-23-2017 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by guivre1408
And there's 2 reasons 8 years later one is a top 15 player the other is a donowant accross the whole league

-Huge knee gap
-Huge heart gap
Spit out my coffee.
06-23-2017 , 12:05 PM
This reminds me of the time POKEROMGLOL went beserk defending the Rondo trade for Dallas.
06-23-2017 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Moneyball16
I'm gonna guess, in your opinion, Jimmy was vastly underrated 2 days ago, and is vastly overrated today.
LOL. I thought he was vastly underrated years ago and wanted to trade Deng because of it. We waited too long and got nothing.

Wanted to trade Jimmy at the deadline last year and for sure this summer.

Let me make sum up why this deal is so clear.

Virtually all Bulls fans think giving him the $200 million supermax would be a terrible idea. So the only option is to get something now.

We are giving up nothing and only have upside. We missed the playoffs 2 years ago and barely got in this year. This is what we're missing out on?

We have no chance with Jimmy and not enough assets to build around him. Either these young guys pan out and we win, or we're right back where we were.
06-23-2017 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
Spit out my coffee.

Speaking of coffee spitting, how do you feel after getting raped once again by Jazz on draft day ?

Sorry Bro, Trey Lyles is a terrible basketball player
06-23-2017 , 12:14 PM
as per usual, bad teams trading a 26-30 year star player get a mediocre haul. bulls didnt have much of a path towards being even a top 10 nba team, why not get some future assets and rebuild.
06-23-2017 , 12:15 PM
Nobody is knocking Chicago for getting rid of Jimmy. Everybody is loling them because they got what amounts to a pupu platter for him, bonus points for getting it from the guy they fired.
06-23-2017 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by guivre1408
Speaking of coffee spitting, how do you feel after getting raped once again by Jazz on draft day ?

Sorry Bro, Trey Lyles is a terrible basketball player
I like neither Trey nor Lyden, but I've come to the point where I don't question Denver's scouting department. I don't think there is a team itl that has rivaled their success over the past few years.

I'm actually disappointed that they tried to get Bledsoe and to a lesser extent Butler. If they had come out and said this was what they planned I'd feel a lot more confident, but they seemed legit pissed after the draft that a trade fell through.

As far as Lyles sucking, bad GMs typically trade guys on rookie contracts to teams with good GMs. He supposedly didn't suck a year ago, and he's going to go from playing with very little creation to a team that was second to GSW in assists. I don't think he'll be good, but I wouldn't write him off by any stretch.
06-23-2017 , 12:35 PM
It wasn't even a mediocre haul tho. Dunn sucks, lavine is a super 6th man coming off injury. Gar is a ****ing piece of **** who hasn't made a good decision in like 5 years.
06-23-2017 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by darO
LOL at Lavine > Booker
Really? Lavine is a better athlete, better shooter, better finisher, better handle, bigger. They're probably equally inept at D.

I guess the argument is Booker is a year younger and hasn't torn an ACL yet. But regardless, Lavine is a great prospect.
06-23-2017 , 12:50 PM
If LaVine was good at those things hed be able to do them in games.

Also Booker much better at dropping 70 point games.

      
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