what about Markelle Fultz who is a lock to peak as a borderline All-Star?

Ben Simmons nice tho

yeah they kept tanking for more years

Trust the lol 76ers

yikes, for real? that seems bad

Embiid might be an injury bust, but my boy Dewayne Dedmon is shooting 3s now, so he'll basically be the next unicorn center.

The worst thing about Hinkie is that he was so bad he won't get a second shot at destroying another franchise. Even Chip Kelly had enough decency to give us a second chance to laugh at him.

Things could have certainly worked out better for Hinkie.

Wow at giving EMBUST another $148 million. Will be a miracle if he stays healthy.

It depends on the probability that he could sign a fully guaranteed max contract offer sheet with the last season as a player option and how badly the 76ers wanted to avoid that possibility.

Maybe the contract has a lot of ways in which the partial guarantee increases.

Yeah I'm not gonna be too quick to LOL the Process.

Let's see all the facts first.

Embiid can 100% be a great focal point of an offense. With the 28 minute limit last year at the best of times I do question his ability to crush at that usage over a full game, but he was dominant last year. He had a great true shooting %(58.4) with the 3rd highest usage rate in the league.

His turnovers were an issue overall, but as the season went on he went from lots of calling for postups and transitioned to more of a set a screen and get the ball at the 3 point line and use the threat of his range to work vs closeouts game and his turnovers went down quite a bit and his assists went way up. Had a 18/49 A/TO ratio in his first 2 months(12 games) and a 48/68 in his last 2 months(19 games).

IMO there is no denying his greatness when hes on the court.

BTW Dwight as an offensive player in Orlando is really underrated and even if he wasn't its a weird comparison to Embiid. We saw Dwight try posting up in LA and Houston, and it was painful, and people kind of forgot he was great offensively in Orlando including when getting a bunch of post touches.

All that said this is probably a bad deal, I have little confidence in Colangelo, maybe Embiids medical **** is better than expected and they are still just being super duper cautious and theres more wiggle room than there seems with the CBA when it comes to the potential details of this deal tho.

Hinkie is also god(PBUH).

i'd say embiid was overrated offensively last year in terms of actual value, but he was still very solid and more importantly the potential was clear his ridic tov rate was unsurprising given his inexperience and the frequency of double teams. he will almost certainly improve at that-- given court time. which yeah, not looking great

agree wrt hgh. he was an underrated post player, though not an elite one (lacked the size among other things imo). back was shot in la/hou and he needed his athleticism to make it work

I think you guys are making my point? I agree he was a great offensive player, but part of what made him great was he knew his limitations. He wasn't super usaging from the low block like Shaq or some ****. Sure he got post touches, but his main value came from screening, finishing around the rim, rebounding around the rim, and kicking out to shooters. He stopped being a great offensive player when he, seeing himself as an elite MVP player, demanded more touches and tried to become a more classic great offensive player.

idk, i think he already had this mentality under svg

I think he's clearly below average. But he has to play a lot of minutes with Drummond

Would be extremely fun to see the sixers with All star Ben and Markelle crippled by Joel Embust contract

Obviously going to need to wait for the details to have an opinion since there are absolutely no reasons to believe the sixers decided to give him a straight max just for the sake of it and we are random twoplustwo posters guessing at his health while they have doctors surrounding him every day.

That being said, of course there is some validity to questioning Embiid's value especially on offense the season he did actually play but the point remains he was a ROOKIE and being basically one of the best defensive players in the league while not being a negative on offense and showing plenty of upside along the way with very little weakness is really unprecedented unless you go back to Duncan so there are no reasons to evaluate him as if we are evaluating Lebron, he was >>>>>>> any rookie on a per minute basis

It's a max contract so there at least 100/120m guaranteed on this one

Yeah, just don't feel like speculating about how good/bad the deal was until we know all the details.

If it has a team option after the 3rd year how bad could it be? Not like they were gonna sign LeBron the next 3 years.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comment...d_the_players/

For those Demar haters, also shows how Lowry is a top 10 player easily

The LFC_USA o/u bank is opening up for yet another year of NBA'ing. Low stakes betting for sweats and banter. Sides I'm interested in. Will add more Eastern Conference later

Mavs u35.5
Grizzlies u38
Bucks u47
NO Pelicans u40
Jazz u41
Wizards o48
Lakers o34
Kings o27.5


$25 per preferred. Fire away

-- derozan posts up like 2x per game. maybe he should do it more, but it's not like he's a dominant post player

-- derozan is a decent ball handler, solid mid range shooter, and a very good finisher so i'm not that surprised his pnr scoring efficiency is good. however, he's a meh passer at best imo, so i think the ranking here is misleading. generally, it's liable to underrate player who generate assists out of pnr b/c it tracks tovs but not assists


-- i actually made a fairly long post about how i think lowry's playoff #s dip in part b/c he is only a so-so pull up shooter (at best) but ends up taking more pull up 3s. he shot the lights out on pull up jumpers this past season, but those figures were way out of line with the previous 2 years (at least per nba.com player tracking). lowry's efg% was 43.2% on pull-ups the 2015-2016 season and 41.6% in 2014-2015. 3pt shooting is volatile.


i think lowry is an excellent offensive player though. liable to get locked up in the playoffs, but that's him and all but a handful of guys.

-- derozan is prob underrated offensively itt. he has legitimate skills that people overlook b/c they don't mesh with the current nba meta. however, they are real weaknesses of his and he is mostly fairly criticized even if it's a bit too far. real problem with derozan imo is that it's a bad look that he hasn't been able to leverage his skills in the playoffs. that's bad for lowry too ofc, but like-- if nothing else the iso/long 2 style of offense is supposed to retain its potency against better comp moreso than high efficiency type shots. hasn't been that way for him though which doesn't help perceptions of his offensive impact



disclaimer-- only skimmed the reddit post

edit: jk i read the whole thing

I will book these for 25 each

Grizzlies u38
Wizards o48
Lakers o34

assuming these are the sides you want. So I have grizz over, wiz under, and Lakers over.

Don't think I didn't notice you taking the over on SAC now that they got GHill, either.

Booked

Nah I believe in the rooks! I love this notion itt that the thread was vindicated bc George hill had a great year. He was good for 1/3 of the season and then pretty mediocre to poor and didn't show up in the playoffs which is pretty much what George hill is

Sorry I have Lakers under.

My issue is that he was a rookie wrt on-court experience only, he's had two years of NBA training, dieting, travel, etc. comparing him to other rookies when he's 22 and been in the league for two years seems like a stretch. The other part is off the minutes he played and how small of a sample that was, a sample that was under the best possible circumstances.