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Lavine is 5 years younger and has far more potential than Butler.

Jimmy has peaked and it's all downhill from here. Not a good shooter and lost his defensive heart.

As a Bulls fan, I know how awful Thibs is with rookies. Dunn is not done.

Lauri a stretch 5 to pair with our stretch 4 of either Portis or Niko. Plus Val and Lavine, this team can shoot it.

Add a good pick next year and we have a direction.

LOL at top 10 player who could barely get the 8 seed and couldn't beat Boston once without Rondo.

Wolves still have 0% title equity and just drastically lowered their long term upside. LOL Thibs.

06-23-2017 , 10:23 AM

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Jimmy Butler is 27 and had a great year despite a terrible coach and fit

06-23-2017 , 10:25 AM

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If Hayward doesn't join the team that has already 4 Small Forward. Jazz > Wolves > OKC

If Hayward leaves, I still think Jazz > OKC if they get a slightly positive wing or PG on the market

I think Wolves will still stink a little bit (7th/8th seed with a 20% lol Wolves missing play-offs). They have no PF, no bench, Ricky Rubio Point Guard, and Fraudrew Wiggins, that's a lot for Jimmy and KAT

I'd bet on an OKC meltdown after the triple double season, Everybody was mentally exhausted in play-offs last year. I think being Russell teammate is a terrible situation and teammates will slightly get worse if nothing changes

06-23-2017 , 10:34 AM

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If Hayward leaves the Jazz are super terrible. Hill would ldo be gone too and a Dante Exum led offense would score about 45 points/100

06-23-2017 , 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Deanglow

Jimmy Butler is 27 and had a great year despite a terrible coach and fit

He's 28 effectively, not that it makes a huge difference to your basic point.

06-23-2017 , 10:45 AM

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Deeeetroit basketball.

06-23-2017 , 10:48 AM

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Is that little white guy to his left their first round draft pick?

06-23-2017 , 10:50 AM

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How is he better than PG?

Tut only please.

His contribution to his team results in a greater net of points scored vs. points given up than Paul George's contribution. Though the two players are close.

06-23-2017 , 10:55 AM

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when I watched Pacer games, I didnt see George putting in a lot of effort.

06-23-2017 , 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe

If Hayward leaves the Jazz are super terrible. Hill would ldo be gone too and a Dante Exum led offense would score about 45 points/100

Hill is probably gone, but jazz still have some semi-valuable assets like Favors/Burks that can be moved to avoid a Exum-led offense. I don't think the asking price for a Rubio or Bledsoe will be high this summer after the big FA movements. And a decent PG + Rudy GOAT + a roster full of positive role players is enough to be at least at Blazers level

Donovan Mitchell seems like a nice guy that will help them, is he good ?

06-23-2017 , 10:57 AM

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Zach LaVine is drawing dead to ever be as good as Jimmy Butler is right now. Check the $tat$. Butler was sick good last year. LaVine was a negative player. He is still young but it's lol to suggest he has far more potential than Jimmy.

06-23-2017 , 11:03 AM

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The only people on the planet who dont think the wolves completely raped that trade are a couple bulls fans who're in denial. The bulls traded a guy in his prime whos a 2 way player whos going to make like 5+ more all star teams to his former coach for a younger Ryan Anderson, a 24year old 2nd year back up pg who cant score, and Lavine coming of a injury.

Oh yeah they also got back the 16 pick which i bet Thibs was like "hey guys lets tell them we wont give them Lavine unless they'll throw in the 16 pick" while rubbing his hands together like a kid on xmas.

06-23-2017 , 11:03 AM

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Floyd you're delusional dog. Everyone thinks you got ripped. Even if Dunn improves a bunch, I think you guys got robbed. I can't believe that the wolves had the best offer for butler unless they were some how infatuated with dunn even more so than they showed. Basically last night just triggered the bulls are on full rebuild and didn't want to make the cavs or Boston any better so they'll ship assets to a meddling team.

06-23-2017 , 11:07 AM

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For the Bulls, it's better than nothing.
The market would just keep getting weaker for Butler

06-23-2017 , 11:09 AM

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Bulls got worked. NBA trade markets are not perfectly efficient and sometimes weird things happen, like Vivek thinking Buddy Hield is Steph Curry.

06-23-2017 , 11:10 AM

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Good luck backing Butler guys. I've watched every game he's ever played. His skill level is low compared to the top players.

Good at getting stats because of drawing fouls, not good at winning. Rose carried a bunch of scrubs to the #1 seed every year. Jimmy not so much.

Had he kept his D at an elite level and learned how to shoot I'd have given him another contract.

And worst of all, he thinks he's MJ and takes many ill advised shots at the end of games. It's not his game but he wants it to be.

I don't care what everyone thinks, happy to fade the public all day on this one.

06-23-2017 , 11:10 AM

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I think Love is a better asset then what they got from the Wolves but it looks like all the Bulls really wanted was long term and young assets to blow things up and no interest in medium/old assets. I can't imagine why Boston couldn't match that value.

Wouldn't #3, Jaylen Brown and maybe a future #1 from Boston be very similar value or even more than what the Wolves gave up and got.

06-23-2017 , 11:13 AM

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Now Deng, Boozer, Gibson, Korver and Noah are scrubs. Those teams had a ton of defensive muscle--they weren't a great playoff team but a great regular season team. I highly doubt if you replace Rose with Jimmy that, that squad would get worse at all.

06-23-2017 , 11:16 AM

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That would be a comparable offer, but Boston wouldn't even give up the #3 pick by itself.

Other teams are valuing Jimmy way lower than the rest of you. As I said, the only reason we got this package was because lol Thibs.

06-23-2017 , 11:17 AM

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He's so bad at winning the Bulls performed at a Cavs level net rating with him on and Lakers level with him off.

06-23-2017 , 11:18 AM

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This trade bringing back BULLFAN

06-23-2017 , 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by capone0

Jimmy will never sniff what Rose was at his peak. Not even close. Rose was the youngest MVP in history, Jimmy nearly missed the playoffs two years in a row as the lead dog.

He was once a good story cause he worked his butt off. Then became a primadonna with mediocre skills to back it up.

06-23-2017 , 11:22 AM

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Rose was a fake MVP created by the Bulls D which for some reason he got credit for. He was the best player on one of the best teams in the league. Lebron deserved MVP that year or was at least the best player (it was his first year in Miami and Wade also had a big year that year). Rose didn't deserve the MVP and probably should have been like 3-5th in line if they went by best and not most valuable.

06-23-2017 , 11:24 AM

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Time to FREE TROLLSTOY to get Floyd some backup.

06-23-2017 , 11:31 AM

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Fake MVP blah blah blah. There's a reason he was the #1 pick and Jimmy #30. Huge skill gap.

Give Jimmy tons of credit for getting himself to this point, but this is it. We got the best of him and whoever signs his next deal will be very sorry.

Totally agree with earlier poster than he's a try hard during the season and gets exposed in the playoffs.

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