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06-22-2017 , 11:11 PM
Covington looks like one of CJs buster generic sidekick "gangsters" in San Andreas 1
06-22-2017 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mullen
Butler will be net underpaid for his contract and is an excellent player. Barring massive injury he will never be an albatross.
We would've had to pay him $200 million. Do not want.
06-22-2017 , 11:18 PM
bulls are a total and complete toilet organization. really ****ing abysmal. owner should be shot and buried in a shallow grave.
06-22-2017 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Floyd13
Bulls fan here. Fans hate it and they're wrong.

Jimmy will be an albatross max contract in 2 years. Already been banged up and his game won't age well. His D was garbage this year as he only focused on O.

Couldn't even beat Boston once after Rondo went down. Not a good look.

Finally we have some shooting and athleticism.
Finally you'll have legit Doncic equity.

It's the only angle that makes sense.
06-22-2017 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Floyd13
Bulls fan here. Fans hate it and they're wrong.

Jimmy will be an albatross max contract in 2 years. Already been banged up and his game won't age well. His D was garbage this year as he only focused on O.

Couldn't even beat Boston once after Rondo went down. Not a good look.

Finally we have some shooting and athleticism.
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Originally Posted by Heroball
Finally you'll have legit Doncic equity.

It's the only angle that makes sense.
Of course it makes sense. We had 0% title equity the next 2 years with Jimmy. Now we have 0% title equity but some path to improvement and don't burden ourselves with a future awful contract.
06-22-2017 , 11:42 PM
Jimmy is so overrated

He's like Lowry crowder etc. a try hard who gets wrecked in the playoffs
06-23-2017 , 12:07 AM
Bulls fan trying to justify this trade is pretty lol.

Big pgs develop older, but Dunn brings next to no value. Honestly doubt he's a for sure guy who you'd want to pick up his 3rd year option. LaVine is coming off a major injury(which helped the team play better) and is already eligible for an extension. Markannen is Ryan Anderson 2.0.

Butler is around the 10th best player in the league making 60% of the max for the next 2 years and they got another first too.

Any talk of Doncic equity is dumb as hell. Breaking Jimmys kneecaps would have increased that equity too, but it would still be better to actually try to maximize future assets while increasing Doncic equity.
06-23-2017 , 12:10 AM
As a lifelong WILves fan (and I'm sure everyone in the WILves thread agrees), who gives a ****? Butler is immediately the best player we've had in the post-Garnett era, we're immediately contenders for ending the longest playoff drought in the league, and we'll be fun as hell. Plus wtf did we even give up? A solid role player who tore his ACL, and old rookie PG who can't shoot (even from the FT line) and we moved down 9 spots in the first round? There is absolutely zero downside here.
06-23-2017 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by minnesotasam
As a lifelong WILves fan (and I'm sure everyone in the WILves thread agrees), who gives a ****? Butler is immediately the best player we've had in the post-Garnett era, we're immediately contenders for ending the longest playoff drought in the league, and we'll be fun as hell. Plus wtf did we even give up? A solid role player who tore his ACL, and old rookie PG who can't shoot (even from the FT line) and we moved down 9 spots in the first round? There is absolutely zero downside here.
Yup, well done wolves. LOL bulls
06-23-2017 , 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Moneyball16
Bulls fan trying to justify this trade is pretty lol.

Big pgs develop older, but Dunn brings next to no value. Honestly doubt he's a for sure guy who you'd want to pick up his 3rd year option. LaVine is coming off a major injury(which helped the team play better) and is already eligible for an extension. Markannen is Ryan Anderson 2.0.

Butler is around the 10th best player in the league making 60% of the max for the next 2 years and they got another first too.

Any talk of Doncic equity is dumb as hell. Breaking Jimmys kneecaps would have increased that equity too, but it would still be better to actually try to maximize future assets while increasing Doncic equity.
Think about what you wrote re: Doncic equity. They did get young assets (terrible ones, but still). Better than breaking his kneecaps.

They went from 0.5% to like 3% equity so not like a hoooge deal anyway.
06-23-2017 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Heroball
Think about what you wrote re: Doncic equity. They did get young assets (terrible ones, but still). Better than breaking his kneecaps.

They went from 0.5% to like 3% equity so not like a hoooge deal anyway.
The point is that it's not just gravy to get more than breaking his kneecaps. They could have done better than 1 year of LaVines rookie contract and moving up 9 picks in the draft or whatever. I guarantee the Celtics offered more. Jae Crowder and a 2019 Celtics pick is better than what they got.
06-23-2017 , 12:30 AM
Lol @ breaking kneecaps comments
06-23-2017 , 12:45 AM
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=19711820&sf91656598=1

Tiny clip explaining the Butler trades from Bulls perspective but like every statement is wrong (I think, just going off the top of my head);

-Rondo has team option I think or guaranteed money, so just let him walk/decline the option - not a 'buy out'
-Wade probably opting out now, I'd think, but maybe buy that out if he opts in, but why? 29M in cap space, just let him sit for a year while you develop guys. no reason to spend big in FA anyways
-Mirotic is now a core piece that they need to spend money on? lol maybe like 3 years ago when people were hyped on him, he's walking for sure I'd think if any team interested in him in FA
06-23-2017 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by yellowfever
I'm excited for the nba next season. Not even because of the pistons we suck balls and are hopeless. I'm excited to see the wolves and sixers on the floor. Just shows you how important bottoming out(and getting over on some trades) is to turnaround a franchise.
Well, it's not just that simple. You also need a Hinkie or a Flip.

In 12 months Flip took us from: Kevin Love going on First Take and telling the world he would leave after next season to: Crushing the Lavine pick at 13 (Dean called it the worst pick of the draft), crushing the Love trade, tanking the **** out of the meaningless season and getting lucky with Towns.

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Originally Posted by minnesotasam
As a lifelong WILves fan (and I'm sure everyone in the WILves thread agrees), who gives a ****? Butler is immediately the best player we've had in the post-Garnett era, we're immediately contenders for ending the longest playoff drought in the league, and we'll be fun as hell. Plus wtf did we even give up? A solid role player who tore his ACL, and old rookie PG who can't shoot (even from the FT line) and we moved down 9 spots in the first round? There is absolutely zero downside here.
Yeah, this is obviously awesome.

I have to say tho, "solid role player" is the worst description of Zach i've ever heard. I guess you could say that his role is to be an absolutely electrifying scorer that can't play a lick of defense but that's basically the opposite of what i think of when i hear "solid" and "role player".
06-23-2017 , 12:50 AM
Bulls clearly rebuilding so now RoLo becomes a nice trade target. Looks like Bulls badly need some frontcourt depth, so teams with younger frontcourts they wouldn't mind moving could be good partners.

They really have nothing else to trade. Going to be a slow rebuild in Bulls land unless these youngsters really explode developmentally or they land a huge free agent in the next couple years.
06-23-2017 , 12:52 AM
To clarify, that role is being a 6th man that leads a bench unit. Jamal Crawford feels where he slots in, with the obvious caveat being that he needs to recover from a major injury.
06-23-2017 , 12:53 AM
dwade already opted in. reason: he wants the money.

Pretty good reason.
06-23-2017 , 12:53 AM
I wonder what the bulls could of got if they moved Butler at the trade deadline instead of waiting till now. I'm guessing they didnt want to give him up at that time easily because they were chasing a 8 seed.
06-23-2017 , 01:02 AM
What's being lost in the shuffle tonight is that:

Spoiler:
KNACKS fans are big winners tonight.

Porzingis is still a Knick!


Spoiler:
06-23-2017 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by minnesotasam
As a lifelong WILves fan (and I'm sure everyone in the WILves thread agrees), who gives a ****? Butler is immediately the best player we've had in the post-Garnett era, we're immediately contenders for ending the longest playoff drought in the league, and we'll be fun as hell. Plus wtf did we even give up? A solid role player who tore his ACL, and old rookie PG who can't shoot (even from the FT line) and we moved down 9 spots in the first round? There is absolutely zero downside here.
Contenders? you have ptsd my man, no way Wolves miss now.

T'was a glorious night for the Wolves. Bonus points for Thibs sticking it to his old team.
06-23-2017 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
Well, it's not just that simple. You also need a Hinkie or a Flip.

In 12 months Flip took us from: Kevin Love going on First Take and telling the world he would leave after next season to: Crushing the Lavine pick at 13 (Dean called it the worst pick of the draft), crushing the Love trade, tanking the **** out of the meaningless season and getting lucky with Towns.
I agree, you still need somebody in charge making the right decisions along the way. Its just alot easier to turn a team into a quality team when you're at the bottom of the league rather then the middle. Making good trades and draft picks along the way is still crucial or u end up like the magic.

Id rather be even the lakers right now then the pistons. Lakers havent drafted well at all and made lots of dumb moves. They even owe a upcoming first rounder. Just being at the bottom is so much better then stuck on the treadmill chasing 8th seeds hoping to land a longshot Greek Freak in the draft to turn your franchises fortunes around.

Luke Kennard has no Greek Freak equity either =-(
06-23-2017 , 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
Contenders? you have ptsd my man, no way Wolves miss now.

T'was a glorious night for the Wolves. Bonus points for Thibs sticking it to his old team.
31 Wilves last year.

41 in downnnn year got 8 seed in West.

Going to have to overcome significant WILVESness. Wilves probably still 35% to miss the 'offs.
06-23-2017 , 01:12 AM
at risk teams are Portland, Memphis, OKC.
06-23-2017 , 01:16 AM
I absolutely have PTSD. That being said, the team that ended the season was as good as the team that started, so we're basically adding Jimmy Butler for nothing. We were starting Towns-Dieng-Rush-Wiggins-Rubio, now it'll be Towns-Dieng-Butler-Wiggins-Rubio. Definitely exciting.
06-23-2017 , 01:16 AM
Don't forget Utah and the CLipse

      
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