What's an example of an NBA in team feud where someone asked to be traded but they worked it out?

Guys work it out when they're KD-Westbrook level of don't like each other. Not when they're Shaq Kobe level of dislike. Maybe it was overwrought but it sure seemed like Kyrie really wanted out and they weren't going to keep him no matter what.

All of that was true this past year and they still had the worst record, and they traded an all star level center for a young guy with potential.

I will definitely bet on Nets having a bottom 3 record and/or a top 5 pick.

I'll bet on the nets not having a top 5 pick, since they don't have their pick.

Covington on the Cavs would be sweet. But, I can't think of a trade that makes sense for both teams. If the Sixers still had Noel a Noel+Covington deal would make Cleveland so damn good.

Hopefully Gilbert does the right thing and goes full tank. Trades Love for assets, leaves LeGM with nothing to play with.

They arguably just made their team worse, you realize that right? At best from a player standpoint this was a lateral move. People are ignoring how valuable depth is, they're not just going for IT & Crowder to Kyrie & Tatum, this trickles down the depth chart and whoever their worst wing who gets decent minutes is who they're replacing Crowder with. So they got younger, but also gave up two massively valuable long term assets, AND they got potentially got worse. I seriously don't understand what people are missing here. You can't just excuse anything because THEY'RE TRYING TO WIN NOW all of a sudden.

Ya this.

Not stood pat in general, but definitely passed on this deal. You're acting like letting IT go for nothing was potentially a bad thing. Run this team back, make the ECF/possibly the finals again, let IT go, and you have a bunch of cap space & an elite basketball city to sell any max guy you want to improve your team next year. You know what next year will be? Steph, Durant, LeBron will all be a year older, and so will Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, & Jason Tatum. This is it now, there are no more moves. They're stuck with this team and they're stuck with it smack dab in the middle of GS's GOAT run and the end of LeBron's.

Come on Victor, this was obviously the play. They weren't dead set on trading him asap. But when a team offers you by far the best package you're ever going to get you have to take it. This was a slam dunk for Cleveland. They just upped their (slim) title chances for 2017-2018 AND massively improved their future outlook. You realize now if LeBron leaves they can re-sign IT and run IT/Smiff/Crowder/Love/TT with the Nets pick right? That's a pretty ****ing core going forward.

why on earth would they want covington when they already have 2 small forwards? hell, they are gonna have trouble finding enough minutes for crowder already.

I agree they won the trade in terms of assets an it was a great haul. but just llolololol at the bolded. that is legit delusional. you do realize that crowder plays the same position as lebron? zizek has played 0 nba minutes. the 2018 pick, no matter how good is not gonna help the cavs title for many years, and surely lebron will have declined by then.

I do wonder if they can pull off something like love+pick for anthony davis. that may really work out.

lollll ya gonna be REAL TOUGH to find him minutes.

Victor, how in the world are you a fan of LeBron and still believe in true positions? Crowder fits perfectly next to LeBron. Both can guard multiple positions, Crowder doesn't need the ball in his hands and can space the floor. I feel like you just are massively underestimating the impact he's going to have on their team.

lol if you think crowder will still be as effective on the cavs. Lebron will break him just like he breaks every other teammate.

Holy F'ing Christ. Attention NBA nerds, Jay Crowder is AT BEST, as Parcells would say a J.A.G. If you need someone to front rim a 3 or get beaten off the dribble, he's your guy. I've watched him for years now and his best is definitely behind him. Hell if they just released him and traded for a 2nd rnd pick no one in Boston would have cared.

It's amazing, I went to bed and Kryie was an All-Pro and Crowder was a glorified bench guy and today Kryie is garbage and Crowder is an all-star. WTF?

Remember when the Lebron didn't have a legit threat playing with him? Remember when the big-3 destroyed him in the playoffs? Get ready for history to repeat itself.

Well you revealed yourself as at best a troll here but in case you're just dumb...

Care to back any of this up with some bets? Will take any Cavs vs Celtics bets you want.

Young Ras, seems like when you take a look at the markets, Cavs chance of titling this season got (quite marginally) worse and the chances of Celtics improved. Click on the team names to see the odds history and tools->odds format if you can't read the numbers. The odds certainly aren't the be all end all at this stage of the (off)season but they might still serve as an objective measurement.

Not to say that this wasn't an insane haul for the Cavs and it gives them flexibility to raise their immediate title equity if they so choose. Just that whether they got better if they stand pat now - not so sure.

Of course Bayless thinks the Celtics won this trade bigly

I'll bet 50 they have a bottom 3 record.

Crowder does play the same position as Lebron primarily, that's true, but Lebron's real position is "anywhere from PF to SG". Are you kidding me?

You can go big with TT/Love/Crowder/Lebron/Rose, or you can go small with Frye/Lebron/Crowder/Smith/IT, or you can do weird big small switch-everything mixes like TT/Lebron/Crowder/Osman/Shump.

The Cavs got better this year unless IT's hip is permanently ****ed up, and they gained so much flexibility for the trade deadline and future.

They went from their only tradeable asset being Osman(who is roughly equivalent to a mid-1st, so not getting you much) with the earliest 1st they could trade being 2023 to now having Osman, Zizic, the Brooklyn pick, and their own 2018 pick all available for making a move.

They can now possibly trade for another good player without giving up Love or TT, something like Shump+Frye+BKN pick+one of Osman/Zizic is a strong package if there's a discontented All-Star available at the deadline.

Or they can sit tight, keep their options open to remain a playoff team without Lebron(as noted about, IT/Smiff/Crowder/Love/TT with a top 5 pick off the bench isn't a bad team, probably 4th/5th seed in the East)

Well I'd imagine that takes like these...

have a lot to do with that. The casual NBA viewer overrates the hell out of Kyrie and underrates Crowder/IT. It makes perfect sense for the books to try to capitalize on that. There's 0 chance anyone can objectively argue that Boston has more finals/title equity next year than Cleveland.

I don't know you clowns, so no go. Open to a reg, tho.

Geoff, we on for the finals bet for $50, or are you still working up the courage to take a shower?

Cavs make finals I get $50, Celtics make finals you get $50, anything else is a push? If so booked

Hmmm, I'm not a lineups-minutes guru, but maybe, just maaaybe, Crowder can play SF Richard Jefferson's 20.4 minutes. And a portion of Korver's 24.5 minutes. Or possibly some of the other 85.1 minutes that "SG's" played since some of those minutes were actually as a "SF".

Really, just +1 to the position-flexible answers posted above. Crowder is a wing. There were 130 non-LeBron wing minutes played last season, more than enough for them to properly use Crowder.

Ras made a point that people always ignore, minutes get replaced but it's not one-for-one, when you get thinner you have to play guys you otherwise wouldn't have, and vice versa.

The Cavs played Jefferson 1614 minutes, James Jones 381 minutes, Mike Dunleavy 366 minutes(Korver 859), Jordan McRae 384 minutes, and Derrick Williams 427 minutes. Those are swingman/tweener minutes from last year that will get replaced from the mix of Crowder, Korver, Jeff Green, Osman, and Jefferson.

(Also, and obviously I don't trust Lue to do this because he had to opportunity at the end of last year with Korver and Williams once everyone was healthy and didn't, you could also use Crowder to take some of Lebron's minutes)

Booked. PS you smell.

I want some of that action too KC, if available

I'll do another fiddy with da dood.