Here was my reply when, understandably, KC wasn't thrilled at the prospect.

His quoting of the post fit with the theme of trading Clarkson now as opposed to later (or holding on to the contract yourself, the Lakers situation is a diff dynamic tho).

I'm still unnerved by the nonchalant quoting.

"Stupid" is a harsh term. However, he has a cognitive bias. I agree with you that its easy to understand why he thinks that way, but he lives in an age where tons of people can(and have) explained to him why hes wrong and he has chosen to cling to his way of thinking rather than consider mountains of alternative evidence.


Durant is an interesting discussion; Curry is ridiculous. Their D would be so insane with Lebron over Curry on the death LU. The offense wouldn't be that much worse if at all.

Larry Hughes got traded. in the Big 3

Celtics for 50?

To be clear you know I want Boston ya? My wording was a little weird so just making sure. If so, booked

Celtics get to play 52 games vs the East. Rigged imo.

I'd assume that team RPM wins doesn't take into account strength of schedule, so all the East teams actual projected wins should be higher than the RPM wins listed due to playing each other so many times.

probably going to deal him for an expiring if they can.

bleacher report just put out 5 deals the lakers should consider before the end of the season. one of which was; clarkson going to charlotte, lamb + o'bryant + nugs 2nd to brooklyn and then trevor booker's $9mm expiring to la and some other non guaranteed contract.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...mming-national

ahh i wanted boston, no book sorry

Or he just has a different opinion of what the word 'better' means in basketball. I personally doubt that, gun to his head, if he had to pick a team to play for his life he would pick Kobe over Lebron, but rather that he thinks Kobe's winning MAKES HIM better than Lebron. I could be wrong though.

I got this as one of the wrongest things you've ever said. Maybe in magical fairy land where they both swallow their ego and alter their games to suit each other it might not drop off that much (but would still be worse), but in the real world they would spend every game fighting each other for touches, and just be a better version of KD + RWB or 2011 Lebron + Wade. Curry's willingness to play the roll he does as the reigning back to back MVP doesn't get anywhere near the credit it deserves. It's possible extra D would make up for it but it would have a LOT to make up in my opinion.

good post

Bad post.

It's almost like no one watched Curry watch Lolndre Iguodala win Finals MVP for "slowing down" GOAT while Curry stumbled through embarrassing performance after embarrassing performance in the only Finals he won as the #1 option.

Curry is a rich man's Lowry. GOAT is GOAT.

thinking lebron swaped in for curry results in > offense is ofc reasonable. describing curry as a rich man's lowry is not

Don't have super in depth analysis but I figure since Draymond and Durant are the top 2 or 2 of the top 3 Labron facsimiles, you're better off with curry

lebron's offensive versatility would allow him to dominate within that system or any system ofc, but stylistically it's quite different than the way he has typically played and he has some tendencies that could hurt the offense. the integration of durant was about as seamless as could be reasonably expected imo, and it wasn't actually that seamless if you look back on it. the takes were flying earlier in the season when curry was shooting below 40% from 3 for the first time, was generally playing tentatively, etc. there was a clear transition period and it wasn't terrible, but it was real. the pieces fit weirder within lebron, which is expected seeing as it wasn't built with his skills in mind. specific elements of his play that don't mesh are preferred pace and ball movement. think people will prob jump on the ball movement comment b/c lebron is an elite passer, but he likes to hold the ball and take his time. all that said it could easily be better with him. it wouldn't really surprise me if lebron on the warriors turned into much more of a catch and go player.

i also agree that the swap likely improves the dubs overall b/c a death lineup when lebron instead of curry has an insane defensive ceiling and it's not like the offense is going to fall off a cliff w/lebron even if it is worse.

comparing curry/lowry in that fashion is lol though and i like lowry way more than most here. the basis for that take is prob something like "lowry can shoot 3s ok off the dribble too" which is 1) reductive 2) incorrect

If Lebron was on the dubs I think they would post him up a lot which would be interesting

interesting = a lot of Klay 3's

The biggest problem is that Draymond is essentially LeBron-lite (in every way). A lot of their offense is putting Draymond in spots as a creator (the midpost, screener when they know Steph is getting doubled) with tons of off-ball action. I've always found it a little baffling that teams don't just say ok Draymond if you're gonna beat us beat us and stick with the shooters, similarly to LeBron. Now LeBron is obviously more skilled as a scorer than Draymond but I think it's a valid point for both. Anyway, a bit of a ramble there but my point is, throw LeBron on the Dubs and he's gonna take Dray's place in a lot of those spots. I think Draymond's passing ability for a guy his size is what makes him such a plus on that side of the ball, but with LeBron in his role he'd spend a lot more time off the ball and become a guy you can just help off of. This was already a concern with Durant, but Durant is an elite 3 pt shooter so he can space the floor off the ball. LeBron is not. Consider their "death lineup", which would obviously be insane defensively, it would have at least two of Dray/Iggy/LBJ off the ball. This would still be an elite offense because of the talent/scheme but I don't think it's possible for them to perform at the level they did last year.

lebron would be playing PG offensively if he was on the warriors. the superfluous person would be iguodala. they just signed omri casspi so whatever, just plug him in.

lebron / klay / KD / casspi / draymond.

geoff, nit point and sorry for just ignoring the rest of your post and the greater discussion, but i think opposition teams don't really have the option to 'make dray score' imo (or at least not a good one)

the possessions where dray is a creator are often when teams have doubled steph beyond the 3pt line and are giving up a 4 on 3 anyway, there's always going to be someone open so you can't shut it down once the situation is created other than just forcing dray to score over the guy at the rim (which does work if you've got a good enough rim protector in position). obv dray is involved in a lot more offensive actions than that, but i think that example is worthwhile - it's kind of hard to stop a guy who's just being a link in the chain and not used as the point of attack which is the case on many of the other hc actions dray is involved in

just leaving him wide open to help more is in practice the closest thing that defenses come to trying to make dray beat them. but that doesn't really work too well either, wide open shots from even dray/iggy type mediocre shooters on halfcourt possessions are still really good outcomes relatively. that said if you're trying to scheme against the woyas, that might still be the best chance to try and ride some variance to a decent defensive game


cliffs: it's hard to stop the woyas, more at 11

Lowry blast was solely in reference to Curry crumbling, albeit to a lesser extent (however on a much larger stage), in the playoffs.

I mean if you swap Curry for Lebron then trading Draymond is a no-brainer.

Lebron/Durant/Klay + a decent return from Draymond is > than the current big 4 imo.

Interesting thought experiment.

What's a decent return for Draymond that fits in w/LBJ/Durant/Klay and makes sense for their trading partner? CP3? Warriors throw in Livingston to make salaries work.

LeBron-Klay-Iggy-KD-Gasol. If you have to keep Iggy that is. Other wise any 3-D wing. Always said LeBron and Klay are the best hypothetical and realistic 1-2 ever.

Dray is a great fit with LBJ/Durant/Klay. Sure, Lebron replicates a lot of the stuff that Dray does, but it's stuff that you want to replicate. This isn't like the Lebron Heat's big 3 redundant on-ball skills; you can never have too much of what Dray brings. Amazing defense, great passing, and floor spacing are exactly the skills you would want to pair with LBJ/Durant/Klay. Dray and Iggy might not be the best spacers but they easily make up for it with ridiculous defensive ability and fit, plus passing and bbiq. They don't need to shoot a lot. LBJ/Durant/Klay is already ~84% usage using last nears numbers where Durant was sacrificing some.