Raw win total not as relevant to GOAT team status as stacking 50 pt Finals' wins.

the dubs ceiling is higher with lebron than durant, but it is a huge stylistic deviation from lebron's preferred style of play. it's not a lock to be better imo b/c while lebron obv has the necessary skills to excel within the dubs offense he would need to play very differently and i think there would probably be more changes across the board than with durant

Talking about LBJ for Curry not LBJ for Durant.

Agree that LBJ for Durant doesn't move the needle too much either way.

I'm referencing Victor's original statement

I hate to interrupt this Lebron/Warriors hypothetical (which I think is quite interesting; not sure which of the three Dubs versions is best but my guess is [-Curry +Lebron] because ridiculous defense) but I saw a stat on Reddit that I thought was kind of crazy:

This season Jokic shot 58.8% from 3 to 20 feet with the next highest being CP3 at 51.6%. That's the same gap as between #2 CP3 and #69 Trey Burke (44.4%).

I'm curious if anyone can find a season-long NBA stat where the leader is more of an outlier (using the simplistic definition [1] - [2] = [2] - [X] where X > 69). The only one I could think of was most points in a game in 05-06 with Kobe at 81, Iverson at 53, and 100+ players with 25+ point games, but that's kind of cheating as it's not really a full season stat.

Lbj for Durant does move the needle. Warriors get a lot worse.


Lbj for curry also moves the needle a lot. Warriors get a lot worse.

In 2017 and going forward Durant is a better defender than Lebron right ?

Durant has been a better defender than him for a few years now.

Durant is a very good help defender, he hasn't been nearly as good defensively as Lebron, in general. But sure, that's probably not going to be the case going forward

did someone say rwb isnt that good im not scrolling back up

that's pretty amazing. looks like the real outlier is how good he is close, league leading 62% from 3-10 on top 10 itl volume (12% better than the next best top 10 guy from this range, kat at 50%)*

he's 4th itl from 10-20ft at 53% which is also great. i assume few people sustain +50% shooting from that range for a long period of time because people start guarding you, the exceptions being true midrange masters like cp3/dirk who can still get free for high % midrange jumpers. not quite seeing that level of elite midrange scoring from jokic, but it's a clear strength obv

* the next best % for a top 20 volume guy is surprising to me: valanciunas. def not a guy i associate with soft touch

http://www.sportsoddshistory.com/

14-15 woyas +2800
10-11 mavs +2000

lol the Warriors without Durant aren't beating LeBron+Durant on the same team. LeBron took them to 6 games with Matthew Dellavedova, Tristan Thompson, Shump, Mozgov, James Jones, and Smiff as the only other rotation players. I guess Mike Miller played a little too.

Then the next year LeBron actually beat the Warriors with a lot worse players than Kevin Durant on his team.

I'm not saying warriors - durant > lebron + durant. I'm saying the warriors, as constructed, are likely better than an hypothetical Lebron+Durant team.

Yup lol biased ballwashers and wannabe quants who don't watch basketball.

Losing Durant would make the warriors worse but not quite as worse as losing Harrison Barnes

Lebron for either Curry or Durant would obviously make the Warriors better, lol.

But could he beat Ronda Rousey in a cage fight?

Yup. Would be amazing if MJ played in this era, watch him try to deal with the day to day hate/scrutiny LeBron does. So passive aggressive it's insane. I guess Jordan thinks Russell is better than him. The more you know.

Let's try this again. Didn't even hold the ball the most on his own team last year, and his avg time per touch was almost a second less.

Jordan would also be a downgrade over Curry and possibly Durant, just like LeBron

Theres a jordan containment thread for those kinds of aids posts. Short answer is no tho.

jordan cant shoot 3s and is a massive ballhog/chucker/midrange shooter so yeah hes a pretty huge downgrade @ warriors.

put klay/green/jordan on a seperate team though with a different offense and your looking pretty good.

Labron for Curry would make the Woyas worse in the regular season and better in the playoffs where Steph sees a 5% drop in production while Bron sees a boost cuz drugs.

It's completely obvious that Jordan is a bigger downgrade for the Warriors than LeBron would be and it doesn't have anything to do with who is the better player. They're a team built on ball movement, quick/effective passing, perimeter shooting on offense, and switchability on defense. LeBron has a meaningful edge in every single one of these areas. TuT knows this, anyone with a clue knows this.

This is why TuT is a negative itt and should stick to "slack" when it comes to these types discussions. There's 0 attempt at honest or open minded conversation. It's stuff like this

constantly. Just random hate masked as analysis and then when proven wrong he'll either shrug off the contradicting evidence or just ignore it. Happens all the time wrt LeBron specifically. Very strange.

I can at least wrap my head around LeBron for Curry making the Warriors worse. Curry's the best 3 pt shooter of all time and that's a huge part of their system. Replacing him with LeBron would make their defense better, and Klay/Durant would still get their looks, but LeBron wouldn't be able to replicate the stuff Steph does off the ball. Both as a screener and with the way the defense bends towards wherever he is. That in itself creates looks/space for the rest of the team.

yah, having to fully defend the guy at half court because he can pull up just creates so many things on offense.